SPEAKER_07 0:02

All right. Welcome once again, everyone, to the Blurred Spectrum Podcast. This week we have a uh very uh interesting topic. Not really interesting, it's more so uh kind of uh fresh beginnings for our panelists. We're going to be talking about 90s anime or late 80s, early 2000s and 90s anime, uh, the intro anime, what got us into being anime watchers, anime heads, anime um enthusiasts for some of our panelists? What what inspired some of their early cosplay? Uh, for some of our heavy anime watchers, what trope or what type of anime, what genre of anime led them into kind of the series of anime that they watch now? Or if you're just a casual one and you're more of a gamer, what really excited you about that particular anime and allowed you to continue on into wherever you are right now? So gonna go over our panelists for today, uh, starting with myself, Suchino Shogun. Uh, we also have Joe T S G returning us for our second episode. We have Kaze, Ms. Skittles, we got Mu and Fu, aka Horde and the Trap, aka Hordak Prawn, aka Mark and Damo. Is that all of them?

SPEAKER_02 1:31

I think I'm just uh as well as the Black McCoy and Sayone.

SPEAKER_07 1:42

So uh what I'll do is I will start us off on a note of the Black McCoy. What is your entry anime uh between that period of time? And please make sure your mic is on.

SPEAKER_06 2:02

Okay, now it's on. Hey, there we go. Anyway, um, no. So when I think about my first anime or like the anime that really just kind of like jumped things off for me, I I was definitely still, I was like, I think I was at the edge of that generation where like toys were a lot more um prevalent when it came to um our relate my relationship to a show. And that show for me was Roman Warriors. I love that show all the way down. And the weird part is I only have vague memories of like the plot, what it was about, but I can I still have like very vivid memories of a lot of the action scenes and a lot of just like the fight scenes and some of like the more like emotional scenes, even though at the very young age I didn't know what the hell was going on, but I know that I had a toy from it. I don't even remember when I got the toy, who bought the toy for me, but I knew that I had a strong enough relationship to it to like I knew which one I uh it was the blue Ronin Warrior specifically because I was little, I had an obsession with the color blue. And um it was, it was, it was I I still missed that toy and I had no idea what happened to it, but I knew that it but I knew that because I had a connection to that toy, I had a connection to the show. And so it just solidified for me that it like this was like pre-Dragon Ball Z, pre-Sailar Moon, or at least I have stronger recollections of it more than I do the more than I do Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball Z, even though I know like the the relative continuity of the other two shows. But it's just like I I was able to really get myself into anime or expose myself to anime through my relationship to my tangible toys and by extension to the show. Because like again, like I said, the show itself was amazing, but for it to make me want to have something tangible to associate with it just made it that much more impactful for me.

SPEAKER_07 4:02

Okay. Uh let's uh throw it over to Miss Seyone.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

All right, so um, my family is a huge Japanese culture. Um, you know, we just love Japanese culture. Anything that has to do with samurai, um, it goes down to you know the games that my brothers and my cousins played, like Tekken, Dynasty Warriors, and that kind of helps set the tone with me as to what I was watching. My father actually went to the pawn shop and got a VHS of Robotech. So that was the very first, I would say, um, anime that I watched as a child with Robotech. It was so back in the day, and it's Mecca, which actually is not what I'm even into, like Gundam, you know, I'm not really into it. I think the only Mecca that I watched religiously was Big O, but that did set the tone on, you know, watching anime. And then my brother, Akira, that was the first, you know, Akira Ninja Scroll, the 80s and 90s, that was the classics that kind of helped me, that brought me into the tsunami watching Sailor Moon, watching Yu Hafa Show. And so that kind of set the tone on what my genre is that I watch. Even till this day, I can't really watch anything outside of Shonen per se, you know, with the exception of you know, horror. But um, that definitely set the tone for what I what I watch now.

SPEAKER_07 5:36

Gotcha. Okay. Uh let's throw it over to Joe, TSG.

SPEAKER_09 5:43

Yo. Um, so my dad was a huge uh fan of Japanese culture, and um, I was pretty much raised on anime uh and video games. Um one of the earliest shows I think I remember watching didn't necessarily get me into anime um was Speed Racer. They used to show that on Cartoon Network like between like 96 and like 2000, and it came on right before Wacky Racers, which I love. So that's how I like I ended up watching that all the time. Um my dad's a huge Robotech fan. Uh so I just being related to him, I had no choice. Um but what got me into anime was actually an anime called Slayers. Um and it was like one of like the first shows where it was like a nice blend of action comedy. Uh there was a main female protagonist, which I didn't really see a lot of, um, unless they were like that cliche Princess Peach type where they're in distress or they're like relying on like romance to develop the female character. Um, Yusaki, for example. Can't stand that bitch, but anyway, that's the first story. Uh doing that today. Like my dislike I like.

SPEAKER_07 7:00

Sailor Moon enthusiasts, hold on.

SPEAKER_09 7:02

I I enjoyed Sailor I love her now, but as a child, I had a pure disdain for Sailor Moon. Uh love Red. See, that's the third one.

SPEAKER_06 7:15

Wait, first of all, not Sailor Moon the show, just you know, Serena was Serena was doing the last. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_09 7:21

No, I did not as a kid, I didn't care for the show. I had characters I liked, but I was it didn't grab me. It just didn't grab me. Like Slayers grabbed me. Um, there was another show called Magical Ray Earth, which was um a combination of a number of things. So like Magical Girl meets Mex, meets fantasy, getting sucked into a whole nother world. Yeah. So it was a lot of combinations of things. My I my dad was a huge into robotics and guns and mobile suits and that sort of thing. Um and then I liked characters with strong female protagonists that again just didn't rely on romance. Um so Slayers was the first one, and then there's another show called Get Backers, uh, which is like legit the that aired in like 2006. Um but it was like Gone and Kalua before them. Um that's the those were the two main characters. The one of them had like the power to conduct electricity throughout their body, and then you had another guy who legit had a Shawrigan. Like if you look in his eyes, like he could make you he could just fuck up shit. Um that's those were the shows for me. Um oh Chowbits.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Oh, Chowbits, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 8:36

Chowbits was another one for me. Um I I loved anything from Clamp because I liked how each of their each of their shows kind of connected either by similar names of the characters, or um, they she had OVAs where like Car Capture Sakura met um the girls from Magical Rare. Um so there was that and XXX Holic was another one. I mean, I can go down the list, and then anything by like Romoko Takahashi, like I just gravitated. So Inoyasha was one.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_09 9:06

Um Space Adventures of Lama, I think is the name of it. Uh and um Renee was another one, actually. I was a huge fan of growing up. So I like pretty much anything across the board is from my anime taste is all over the place.

SPEAKER_07 9:23

Awesome, awesome. So I guess I'll go. Um so I had a very uh interesting um parental control over the things that I watched and I saw and I played um because I had no restrictions, but then I had restrictions. So certain things were blocked and then other things weren't. And then some of the things that were blocked, of course, you know, rebellion. So I went to go and find them anyway. Now here's the problem: I didn't know what anime was. So anything that I saw, and we were actually just talking about this earlier in the previous episode, is unless you, in my opinion, unless you knew it was anime, you can't really call that your first anime. So I had already seen, you know, Pokemon, I'd already seen Yu-Gi-Oh!, I'd already seen um, and that's the mainstream ones. And then I thought back, okay, what about earlier than that? And I had seen Ronan Warriors, and I'd seen Sailor Moon, and I'd seen um uh Dragon Ball Z. I was like, okay, well, what about earlier that than that? And um, I thought about it, and like the first time I really truly understood that I was watching anime and that that's what it was, was Cowboy Bebop, um Lupin, and um Trigun. There he is. Um that was the first time where I understood that I'm not watching something that was originally meant for me. And that's how I visualized it. Because there was plenty of cartoons and anime at the time that were on TV, but it wasn't until um and any Yasha, it wasn't until uh those four uh came across my television on Adult Swim, which I believe was yeah, Adult Swim after Tsunami or Nighttime Cartoon Network at the time. Um and you know, you're supposed to go to school the next day, you're not supposed to still be awake, so I was still up, and I was watching it, and 11 o'clock turned to 12 o'clock, and then the world opened up and anime began. And uh the the unforgotten, unbegotten son was given to me. And that son was Inyasha, and anyasha, as I said in a previous episode, lulled me to sleep at the end of the night. Granted, that was like 4 a.m. But still, it it is what introduced me into anime and it's what got me onto the path now, which is why I feel as though um I have a particular taste in anime. I if it's if I'm as I've been told, if I am, if I walk into a room and the anime is on, then I will watch it. But if you ask me if I want to watch it, there's like a 30% chance I won't. Only because I need to know what the show is about for me to go and watch it. But that's just my own personal preference. I try to give everybody a chance if it's thrown into my face. Yeah, there's a lot of things. Thrown into my face.

SPEAKER_06 12:15

So I mean we'll be we're be we're playing a bit past the loose with the word.

SPEAKER_07 12:19

That's why I'm using the word thrown into my face. Um it has to just be more of a it's more of a cartwheel. Um unless the anime is thrown into my face, I you know normally won't just go along, go find it. But if a new anime comes out, I'll take up take it upon myself to you know read up on it, uh, read the um the description, watch maybe the first episode and a half of episode and then the second half, the first half of the second episode, just to see if I can vibe with it, if it feels good. Kind of goes back to our earlier episode about the intro and outro music. Does the music does the music make me want to continue watching? Does the um the content, the um interactions between the characters, does the genre gel or mesh with who I am and what I'm interested in? Like say on it said before, slice of life is not for her. But if it was it started off as a slice of life and then somebody's head got chopped off, she would tune in next week. So you just have to, you have you can't say you won't try it, you have to at least go into it um and see if it's something you want. So if some if you recommend something, let me know, and then I'll decide if I want to go in there from there. But I know my initial anime definitely uh I absolutely love Cabo Bebop and Inyasha. Uh Trigon, like Bash the Stampede is one of the funniest, I'm gonna say it, funniest motherfuckers I've ever seen on a cubed television ever. Like absolutely Bash of Stampede. Love that motherfucker. Anyway, sorry, a little expensive. Okay, sorry. So uh now we will move on to uh Moo and Boo.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Um I'm actually gonna go with the second video. I won't let Boo.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Um, so I guess the first shows I started watching were Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball Z, and Reboot when Cartoon Network had those three blind up back to back.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

But like we were just having that discussion when you were saying, you know, you can't really say that's your first anime, didn't know it was anime. So I mean, I don't think I found out about anime until him and I started dating, which was back in 2011. So and our first anime that we watched together was Soul Eater.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Um, yeah, he kind of ruined the ending for me.

SPEAKER_06 14:46

So you jerk. Like we talked about last episode. If you if you if it makes you feel better, he didn't ruin much of anything. Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

Well, like, okay, so he had read the manga, and then I'm expecting this like explosive ending to happen, all these battles, and then it just flat lines. So then, you know, I just want to throw something at the TV. I'm like, what this wasn't it. What happened?

SPEAKER_06 15:11

So the way the mo the way the anime ended, the motor kept going.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

Right. So then I just oh, yeah. Well, that's kind of what happened with uh Akami got killed. Um the anime ending is wait now.

SPEAKER_07 15:25

There are people that ain't seen that either.

SPEAKER_03 15:27

Well, what happened to say is the anime ending is not the same as the manga ending because they sped up the anime before the manga was finished. True. So, I mean, in that aspect, the manga has a better ending than the anime, honestly.

SPEAKER_09 15:44

Oh, it's a vision of Escaflone all over again. Oh man, oh man, I have subscribed.

SPEAKER_06 15:52

Something those Game of Thrones fans can connect with.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Now I think we just finished that, and then um I'm still watching Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer. And I think there's one more that we're about to oh, and Food Wars is like my absolute favorite right now. But yeah, I mean, I think it was all the way back in 2011 because I was just like, oh, this is a good cartoon. I'm gonna keep watching it, it's cool. Um, but it's funny because like our kids now are immersely engrossed in Sailor Moon.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

So like when the movie comes out, I know I'm gonna have to put it on and it's gonna be on for like weeks at a time.

SPEAKER_07 16:36

Her kids are taking her Sailor Moon uh uh figures and stuff and playing with them, so I don't know. Uh it's just so that's a boundary of the problem is when the Sailor Moon statue comes into the house and the child thinks it's their toy or their or their action figure, what would you supposed to tailor them?

SPEAKER_06 16:57

I'm supposed to I'm I won't have to tell them anything six for three, and then they won't be able to reach out yet.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Like they'll they'll try to take my Luna as well. Um, and then recently Madison started watching Pokemon, and then Ronnie runs around the house saying Pika Pika. So they're slowly getting into their own.

SPEAKER_06 17:15

Just go ahead and throw the whole tile away.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

But I mean, Pikachu was a lot of people's favorite, I guess.

SPEAKER_07 17:23

Look, it's it's better him saying Pika Pika than a child running around saying Saitama can't beat Goku. But that's my problem. So go ahead, Moo. That sounded like a trigger.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Right, bro.

SPEAKER_06 17:36

Because no one was talking about him at all.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

I want to say my first anime, the first anime I used to watch, like I said, was X, I was talking about this before was Exosquad, Mutile, those are cartoons that could have fallen into the anime. But I'll say the first anime I ever watched was G Force. Like when I knew what it was, G Force was the first anime I honestly ever watched.

SPEAKER_06 17:59

For you own Culture Swan, we're not talking about that movie that was made with the kids.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

This is what I'm talking about. So he said, um, I used to watch, yeah, it was like that. It was Ronin Warriors back in the day. It was uh the counter uh what was it? I think it was the counter Escaplone, uh back in the podcast. Oh yeah, vision of Escapone just becoming what it was, and then they brought out Ultimate Muscle and uh it was like yeah, so that's what I mean. It was a lot of I had a lot of like anime was mad by everyday boyfriend, especially my Saturday.

SPEAKER_06 18:38

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

So it was uh it was different. It was it was definitely, yeah, it was a lot of like I said, I I came in the they didn't really influence what I like today, but they influenced me liking and they influenced my taste in anime, I'll say, as a whole. Like watching them, I love them for the art, I love them for the stories, the exoswide, I love for the adult nature of it, how it uh came at war. Same with the kind of Escapone, and then it also got me into the next uh genre, which eventually led to Gundam and Robotech and all and like I said, it just it was different anime, like um G Force or Silverhawks eventually led to me liking things like High Rangers and Masked Rider or Beatleboards or something like that. So it was like it was a lot of anime almost influenced my whole childhood rather watching the sad truth about it. Like anime influenced a lot of everything I I watched as a kid. So and then today, uh if I watch TV at all, it's it's out of day most likely.

SPEAKER_07 19:39

Fair enough. So same none of y'all got cable. Anywho, uh so I never heard nobody like in 2020 be a snob by watching cable.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

So for me, um, so my father, he he watched a lot of cartoons, so he was basically my introduction into um, like you all said, with like you watch anime but you didn't know it was anime. Um he's basically my introduction into that world, cartoons in general. But um the first anime I ever watched was Sailor Moon. And then I when I started realizing that it was anime, um I want to say double hunter yoko. My dad took me to uh Blockbuster, you know, back in the day.

SPEAKER_06 20:43

Yeah, busting it on the block.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

And he would let me pick out, you know, what I wanted to watch. And um, I remember choosing uh double hunter yoko because it looked like Sailor Moon, something that I had seen. So not realizing that that it was it was um, yes, it was different. Because uh on television they had, you know, Sailor Moon had the sparkles or whatever, you know, all that stuff. It was censored. Um we didn't know that it was not gonna be censored, but even still, uh that was my introduction into anime, and then it and it wasn't until probably Dragon Ball Z where I was like, you know what? This this this is where I'm headed. Like so like like y'all saying Tsunami and Del Swim, like the those were my opportunities to get all of you know get all of that in um for free. And just you know, just enjoy the the art, the the music, um the style, the different styles of drawing, like and that, and that's also a huge thing for me. Sailor Moon is probably why I started drawing. Um I create I I created a whole I created a whole new cast for Sailor Moon uh or little paper drawings of different uh moonie characters. So um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:35

So we need those so we can put them on our social media. Oh Lord. Put them on your social media and we can share them from your social media. I need anything. Oh yes, yes, no, they don't know.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:48

And the word and the words of Miranda Priestley, in the words of Miranda Priestley, no, no, that wasn't a question.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

These are literally, literally crown drawings. What you talking about? No, it's not.

SPEAKER_06 23:01

Well, baby, well, baby, you ain't a child in the world.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

It's no stick figures here, Tip. We already know.

SPEAKER_07 23:12

Yeah, no, it's it's it's interesting. That that's very interesting how you know our our initial animes, our initial cartoons, however we called it, you know, inspired so much about us and how we did things and how we look at things now. Like um, you know, talking about uh reboot, I believe is what um Foo said earlier. Uh, when I started watching Reboot, Reboot, oddly enough, got me into programming. Because at a very young age, when I started watching Reboot, I realized they it's not just a cartoon, they're talking about the inside of the computer. And then when they went deeper into it, talking about the mainframe and the operating system, I was like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Uh in my job in IT, how I look and I read and I create and I program and I design is how Reboot kind of handed it to me. So it's interesting how, you know, as Miss Skittles was saying, Sailor Moon inspired her to begin to draw. And I'm sure that, you know, each of us have. I mean, uh, Moo was saying earlier that anime inspired all of the things that he's watching now. All of you know, from Power Rangers on up to the anime and the TV shows that he's watching today, it's inspired by those initial things that he saw. But before I go off on a tangent, let's go ahead and round it up with uh right.

SPEAKER_05 24:42

Um my anime adventure. Uh it's it's it's it's hard to like really pinpoint. Uh I'm sure it is.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Oh, Lord.

SPEAKER_05 25:06

But um, I'm pretty sure I was watching it like before anything I actually remember, but the first the first things that really come to mind is uh uh Dragon Ball, uh Astro Boy. Yeah, Astro Boys. Uh Sailor Moon. Uh I'm I remember when DVZ came out and like that was like my first uh sense of like actual continuity in a cartoon. I was like, oh, that nigga changed.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Like wait a minute.

SPEAKER_06 25:35

Motherfuckers grow up. Wait a minute. I know you can do that in the mix of the world.

SPEAKER_09 25:43

He's still not 10 years old after 21.

SPEAKER_07 25:45

I know I knew somebody was gonna say it. So you listen, even still we're still a baby, you know how long it's been. Let's not talk about Bart Marge and Maggie.

SPEAKER_05 25:55

Okay. And the thing about me when I was uh was a child is like, you know, I could I consider myself uh I guess pretty mature for my age. Like, you know, my mother didn't talk down to me. And I didn't uh but um but yeah, I didn't uh you know I didn't feel like I I never I never wanted to feel like I was being condescended to. Um like you know, I would go to you know I went to restaurants, my mom let me order off the regular menu.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

I ain't I ain't had to someone was bourgeois.

SPEAKER_06 26:33

My mama knew she had some eating children, she wouldn't let that happen. She's like, no, these niggas eat too much. Y'all order off this menu.

SPEAKER_05 26:43

I grew up, I can't afford my taste. But uh But um I think we really uh like I like I knew excuse me, I knew that like Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball were uh were like anime, but I didn't fully distinguish them from like regular cartoons aside from where they were from. I think the really I think the thing that actually got me into anime and was in when I first started absorbing content that wasn't treating me like the child I was, uh was the midnight uh the midnight screenings on the sci-fi channel. All the shit. That's why I watched uh Akira, that's why I watched uh Amitage 3, Eon Flux.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

I think Eon Flux was on MTV, too.

SPEAKER_07 27:36

It was on MTV. It was I completely forgot about Eon Flux. That might have been my first one now that I think about it. You can forget about the movie, but you don't forget about the show.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

I'm talking about both.

SPEAKER_09 27:49

Yeah, I think that and Ghost in the Show, possibly.

SPEAKER_04 27:55

Oh yeah, Ghost in the Show.

SPEAKER_05 27:57

But like just really like the scene, like not only was the the content adult, like it was just it was just higher quality, just like the way the the way everything was drawn. Like I was I felt like I was being cheated. Like it was like it was like being it was like eating McDonald's your whole life. And then I was like, Y'all niggas got steak.

SPEAKER_06 28:17

I don't want to live in McDonald's like at least at least get you on Wendy's like or something.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Yeah, it did seem like a catfish, didn't it?

SPEAKER_06 28:26

You're like, oh y'all had this shit the whole time. The whole time it's like when you eat chicken nuggets your whole life and then you find out your mama know how to make fried chicken from scratch, like, bitch, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_08 28:44

Yes, I talked about magical rare.

SPEAKER_09 28:47

I was like, oh, you're giving me power puff girls, but you got these three grown ass girls? Okay.

SPEAKER_06 28:51

Or no, no, my mom would like make cream potatoes, then I realized she knew how to make that shit from scratch. I'm like, this is way better. What the fuck you've been doing your whole life? Like, why you been hiding this from me? And then you went all the time. Mm-hmm. I'm sorry, now I'm hungry.

SPEAKER_05 29:08

You know, and and all and also, of course, the uh the tsunami thing, because before Tunami, that was you you really you really had to like catch catch your anime and your shows because it was into the Hannah Barbera shows, and so you just had to know what time your stuff came on, and then it came on and they closed all the shit you wanted to watch together. And it was like, oh, you niggas knew you knew what I wanted to watch.

SPEAKER_07 29:42

I'm not trying to watch this boomerang bullshit. It wasn't always boring, they just put it on the side to think they wanted us to watch. But they didn't put that shit.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Cartoon Network had you had Cartoon Network, you had Tsunami between the hours of nine and three, and then at three o'clock to like eight in the morning, you had boomerang, and then all of a sudden they were like, all right, let's make boomerang on a separate channel. Yeah, or let's turn tsunami into adult swim. So like so it was it was yeah, it was really it was kind of annoying actually. That you would catch that 30-minute window where they wouldn't show Dragon Ball Z for the third time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 30:27

They would loop their lineup. Like after they played their lineup, they would play it like two more times until like the Wii hours of the morning.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Yeah. That's why I I couldn't stand uh Dragon Ball Z because of how Toonami looped the episodes over and over again. I'm like, my nigga, you killing Frieza for like a whole month?

SPEAKER_09 30:44

Like instill that death into you.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

So like after that, I was done with Dragon Ball Z because I know that there was a lot of censorship when it came to the crossover from the Japanese version to the American version, which I didn't comprehend because I was a kid and I didn't care on my content right now. I didn't care about you know them changing it, but they lost a fan. And unfortunately, it's hard for me to get back into Dragon Ball Z because of that, you know, because like when you watch animates as a child, it holds on to you.

SPEAKER_06 31:21

I promise you that Dragon Ball Z is so linear that you could hop in and just like read a sentence summary and you'd be fine.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

I mean, but now they have children and you got chunks and you got Android 58.

SPEAKER_06 31:35

They're not relevant. They're not relevant. None of them are relevant. No, they're not, they're not. That is one of the things you believe. No, that I'll say that is one of the strengths of the show that it's so basic that you can hop in later with a very brief synopsis, and you'll be like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

I'm glad I'm glad that is so basic. I'm gonna need I I need the whole we blurred nerd community to understand that Dragon Ball, Z, whatever is not is not the trail.

SPEAKER_07 32:16

Don't want to flip that rock over. Let's flip the rock. She can't flip the rock over wearing a Goku t-shirt. That's one.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Two merchandise and drag Dragon Ball Z though. You can't do that.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

Yes, it I it it was the anime that, you know, was like, oh, I I realize there's animes out there that wasn't like Sailor Moon, you know, where it's flowery and you know, cute shit. And I mean Dragon Ball was I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 33:00

Sailor Uranus wasn't cute. She threw that through that ground crusher and broke the old body monster. That wasn't cute. That was tough. Sailor Pluto was that big.

SPEAKER_08 33:13

So I don't know what niggas be talking about. None of them were the main characters.

SPEAKER_04 33:19

There's a difference between that genre and and you know, Dragon Ball and his genre as a shonen. So for me, it was like two different, it was like, oh, so we got a spectrum here that I can it you know explore. And then showen for me is like ultimate anime because I'm getting that action that I'm looking for. Um so yes, Dragon Ball did introduce that to me, but for for for to have these conversations in 2020 and niggas still out here like, oh, so what you know about DVZ? Like, dog, get the fuck out of my butt now.

SPEAKER_06 34:02

That's the fucked up part. It's like ain't a whole lot to know.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

Like the the why are you still in Z, my nigga? Isn't GT done happen? We got super going on, but GT didn't have a GT.

SPEAKER_08 34:13

We don't talk about it. GT didn't happen.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

There are multiple. I agree with Sony though, like Dragon Ball Z, it was the blueprint for a lot of shonen now, um, you know, because each, I think each generation had their masterclass anime. You know, our generation had Dragon Ball Z as the blueprint of Shonen. And then you had Bleach, which had its own weirdness, but it was a classic for that particular generation because you have your Dragon Ball Z, which is your Naruto, which is famous, you have your Bleach, which is which are like the kind of classic um Shonen masterpieces when it comes to anime. It doesn't necessarily have to be the best story or you know, character development, but because of the action, the level of action and production that went into it, it wasn't just some you know $50 side bull crap. They spent a lot of money making sure that the action scenes are quite memorable. Even with Dragon Ball Z, everybody remembers Frieza, Cell, Majung Lu. You know, I'm 30, you could be 40, you remember those classic showdowns. You know, this is back in like 30 years ago or you know, 25 years ago, we still remember it.

SPEAKER_06 35:31

Okay, let me correct that number real quick.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Right. I didn't know how to watch it now. We'll say 25. So 45. 25 years ago.

SPEAKER_08 35:47

I'm 35. Uh yeah, I wasn't two years old when I was watching it. It was 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

Okay, 20.

SPEAKER_08 35:52

I'll I'll say everybody was at least 10. Yeah, I was seven, but okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

I think I was about six, five, six, yeah, six, seven years old. So yeah, twenty-five will say that.

SPEAKER_06 36:03

I want to push back just only ever so slightly and say I think that Dragon Ball made more of an imprint. Like it made more of an imprint than Dragon Ball Z. Because I and I think that the Dragon Ball fan base, like Dragon Ball was much more nuanced of a story. It had a lot more going on than anything after it really did. Um and that that to me, to be very brief, was just something that is neglected a lot. Like Dragon Ball was a full-on story, it mimicked culture, it mimicked, you know, um different fighting styles, it introduced a lot of different strokes that we know and love today, but Dragon Ball Z didn't do that. So Dragon Ball Z.

SPEAKER_07 36:40

So before we go deeper into a Dragon Ball Z what's the hype about episode, we want to make sure we finalize what we're talking about. So Kaize can finish your final point. Because I saw I saw Moo was about to do it. I'm sorry, but I had to stop.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

I don't even care about Dragon Ball Z like that, but I can't let you dispens Dragon Ball Z like that. I know that's why I had to stop.

SPEAKER_07 37:04

Before we do that, let me let Kaze finish, and if we could close out this episode.

SPEAKER_05 37:10

Um yeah, also I was one of the uh not even one of them. I was I was the I was the first person I knew of my age to have a home computer like in the 90s. And that was like uh you know, and my mom bought it and it was it was the family computer, but then it was my computer because I was y'all had money, money. You got a family computer.

SPEAKER_07 37:48

We try to make the nuggets and chicken. If only you knew we got money.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

We put coupons in here. You're like okay, this is the adult menu. I'm like, oh excuse me.

SPEAKER_05 38:06

I wasn't greedy, I didn't order the play, I ordered the prime rib. But yeah, having having that computer and uh and finding like Kazah and Limewire, like that was literally like the floodgates, like finding like all the stuff. Quite literally. Literally, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Yeah, like finding right now, the throwback for real. But mess up your computer though.

SPEAKER_05 38:43

The the the the spaware. And then like on and like you get the little uh error message, you're like not fucking with that file no more. You know, check the reviews, then you know, go back three pages, see if anybody got anything. Like, you know, you had to you couldn't fuck up the family.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

You could not, you know, what responsible uh torrenter. Oh kids today don't know that struggle, okay? The blue screen of death, and you were like, ooh, nice.

SPEAKER_06 39:14

Ooh, damn.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

What happened? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

I was just I was working on a paper for store and still alt delete and not a personal computer, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:28

Hence I'll fuck that.

SPEAKER_08 39:36

If yeah, just go to Pandora's Cube like I did.

SPEAKER_07 39:38

No, I couldn't do it. This was back in the Australian movie. None of our parents all knew all that stuff. Pandora's cube. I remember driving past it to go to Greenbelt Mall.

SPEAKER_09 39:51

Ride at Crowd's car. Yeah. My Saturday trip and me going there.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

I remember hopping on the metro and catching the green line to get over that junk. That was about it. I was like, my family, I was just come back with stuff. My family looked you up, what is it?

SPEAKER_06 40:06

Right. No, see, I grew up in Metro, Atlanta, so it was like, so when we was out and we and I saw something, I was like, oh, it was a whole out. Listen, I don't know what this Donald Trump, this Biden campaign looking like, but I was campaigning harder than any motherfucker in the store to get that one thing. Like, let like please let me get this rapid mom. Like, I know it's a Digimon toy. I know Christmas around the corner, but I need this today. Let me give you all twenty-five reasons why you should get me this one Digimon toy today.

SPEAKER_07 40:36

Pull it back, Conze. Finish your point.

unknown 40:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 40:39

Uh actually actually I was gonna uh jump sideways and I know you were.

SPEAKER_07 40:43

That's why I stopped you.

SPEAKER_05 40:44

Finish your point. Black McCoy said, I think it was uh um uh the the uh Dragon Ball definitely like uh opened a lot of the pathways as far as like like syndication and like proving to American like uh companies and artists that it's that people outside of Japan actually likes, you know, actually like want stuff like from this country. But I think I think the thing about Z was it was it was following like the wave, like the uh like like you know, like uh like Rama and a half Rama and a half, like they they made that and like in that became phase. Even towards all the uh they became a lot, they they became a lot more closer to the you know what Z was, like where it was kind of like Fight of the Week versus like kind of slice of lifey martial arts. And uh what's the uh what's what's what's the dude uh you know he punched you and then says you're already dead and you explode. Oh yeah. Jojo's was like getting huge and those big giant, like manly, like all those like mangas was like coming in popularity.

SPEAKER_06 41:49

So like I think Berserk was in there too. Was Berserk in there?

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Berserk was I think it was, but the anime wasn't only had like that the golden age, so it wasn't as popular as what everything else she said was. Yeah, so last year worked also.

SPEAKER_09 42:05

Yeah, it's great. At that time it was really niche.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

Yeah. Berserk, I don't think got the hype until I'd say we got older because I didn't start watching Berserk until I was maybe 21, 22. And so I um the person I was dating, he introduced Berserk to me because he knew that I love action and gore with supernatural elements as well. So he let me watch Berserk, and then I finished it with the manga, which was great because I think even the old school anime, it was only like maybe 12 episodes, and it was meant for the the person to continue reading the manga. And the manga was actually a lot more gory than the anime anyway.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

Oh sure.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

Oh, it was so it was deep.

SPEAKER_06 42:52

The anime was already pretty fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

Yeah, the anime was was already messed up, but with Berserk, that was the first I saw a black woman, you know, not a tan chick with you know blue eyes with you know blonde hair. She was black. Like you couldn't try to scratch a surface and try to is she tan? Is she you know, did she did she just get a little crispy one day? No, she wasn't black.

SPEAKER_06 43:16

She passed the paperback test for the better being called.

SPEAKER_03 43:21

She was black, and I love that. And that was for me, that it was it was such a shame that I had to be in my 20s to see that. But again, it wasn't meant for kids.

SPEAKER_06 43:30

Yeah. So but you know, I think Cowboy Bebop and Trigun did similar. Like they introduced like badass black, like straight up black people characters. Yep. And it was so awesome to latch onto them at that time. And actually, and I know it's kind of a shame that we had to grow grow up to be able to truly appreciate it more, but it was it still made its impact at the time.

SPEAKER_09 43:51

I think Robotech was the first time I ever saw a black character, a black female character specifically. Um To love interest. Whatever.

SPEAKER_05 44:02

Yeah, Robotech and Gunnar were good for slipping in like people of color. They didn't act any other type of way. But uh but they were.

SPEAKER_06 44:14

Yes, niggas in space.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

Also with the black characters in I would say the 2000s, they were still going with the Gangoro trend, the Gengoro trend, the Japanese, you know, Japanese girls tanning themselves. So when I look at the anime, I keep thinking about the Gangoro trend more so than they are actually black, because like you said, Robotech, they didn't have that trend yet. It was more so in the like the late 90s, early 2000s when they had it. So in Robotech, they were actually black. And then you know you could tell late 90s, early 2000s, that Gangoro trend of Tokyo. So you saw those tan girls with the you know the blonde hair. So I think they weren't really black, they were just kind of going by the trend per se.

SPEAKER_05 45:06

And even that first episode of Cowboy Bebop, like that was I was that's like that's a Hispanic woman.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

But was Ed black? Was Ed a black?

SPEAKER_09 45:20

Like, I felt like Ed was mental Ed was a mental patient, is what Ed was really. Or she was a she was a girl.

SPEAKER_06 45:33

Yeah. We're gonna make Ed, we're gonna make it non-binary. I would say non-binary, actually.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

Ed was black. Ed was black with that.

SPEAKER_06 45:42

Ed was black.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_06 45:44

Ed was black with that red hair and that beautiful Corgi. Oh, that corgi.

SPEAKER_03 45:50

Where Ed was I I couldn't resonate with Ed. I thought Ed was great, but I didn't see myself in Ed. I just thought Ed I didn't know. I thought Ed was more like an alien of sort. I was like, what is Ed? Like a tan.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

I don't really know.

SPEAKER_06 46:04

I was like, I'm not sure if you're a person or a non-person person. Ed was a girl.

SPEAKER_07 46:13

Yeah, I didn't know. Ed was a girl. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

Yeah. Huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 46:18

Androgyny B. Dane. Yeah, they switched him from so he was originally a boy and then they turned him into a girl later on. When they uh brought it over. Ah, so Ed is trans. I mean, basically. And then you have like Afro Samurai that just did Afro Samurai.

SPEAKER_03 46:36

I didn't guess.

SPEAKER_09 46:38

Yeah, I I I gravitated to Afro Samurai morsel than samurai shampoo, and they aired them around the same time here. And then they both had animators.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

The art type from Afro Samurai I remember kind of reminded me of Boogs a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 46:56

Yeah, very much so. Yeah. I absolutely think Aaron Maguda drew from that same kind of style when he was not even just making the show, but making the comics as well.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

Right.

SPEAKER_06 47:07

Yeah, it was the same studio. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 47:14

Alright. So to wrap up the episode, I think what we'll do is we'll uh do one more wheel spin of our next topic for our next episode.

SPEAKER_06 47:25

Ooh, can I do the thing? Do what thing? Wheel of morality. Turn, turn, turn. Tell us the lesson that we should learn.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

What was that?

SPEAKER_06 47:34

First of all, that was animating uncultered pieces of shit. Uncultured swine. I wish, I wish with all my heart live with the dragons, and then a bitch wouldn't get that shit wrong again. I will come for everything.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

Dragon Tails when like we had no cartoon network, and that was the only thing that was available for us to watch.

SPEAKER_06 48:08

You mean when your grandma didn't have the cable extra cable cable?

SPEAKER_08 48:16

TBS.

SPEAKER_06 48:22

She only had cable on her good TV, which was in her room. And in the living room. So you only had Sagua.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Sagwa. That's why I learned how to say Nihoo. That's all. So I was going around saying Ni How. People are like, what are you? Do you know anything else? No, sorry.

SPEAKER_06 48:42

All right. Just be glad that I'm young, black, and have two languages.

SPEAKER_07 48:45

So what we'll do, we're going to spin the wheel. And I believe Sayone chose it last time. So this time we will have uh Joe. I will allow you to tell me when to stop.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Okay. We're spinning the wheel. Is it spinning now? Yeah, it's a space. It's like okay. It's just like Paul was on my screen.

SPEAKER_06 49:12

It's spinning the round in circles.

SPEAKER_07 49:15

All right. It is how cosplay and other nerdom can you can be used to help with mental health coping mechanisms. That is a phenomenal topic. And of course, we have three cosplay experts that can definitely help. We'll hopefully have some other guest speakers in that episode. So I will wrap up. Oh, we have another one in the background.

SPEAKER_06 49:40

Yep, Demetrius will absolutely be absolutely be on that episode.

SPEAKER_07 49:44

So so our so our seventh member who's here but not really here. Got me.

unknown 49:48

All right.

SPEAKER_07 49:48

So uh we'll close out. Uh of course, as always, you can follow us, Umbral Starcade and the Blurred Spectrum on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, uh, Twitch, uh, Miss Sayone.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

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SPEAKER_07 50:07

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SPEAKER_06 50:14

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SPEAKER_07 50:25

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SPEAKER_08 50:27

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SPEAKER_02 50:37

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SPEAKER_07 50:40

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SPEAKER_06 50:45

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SPEAKER_02 50:51

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SPEAKER_07 50:58

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