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Okay, I wanted to do like an evil laugh when we started. Hey everybody, um, welcome back to the Blur Spectrum Podcast. This is your host who always typically does the most, if not more, never the least, uh, the Black McCoy. And today we will be covering horror movie villains. Now, Suchino Shogun will not be joining us today, um, which is fine. We will miss him. So, y'all will hopefully we'll see him at some point in time, probably in November. Um, and uh, we're gonna go ahead and introduce everyone. Uh, of course, starting with myself, the Black McCoy, and we will jump it over to the doctor and the Sione. Hello, Miss Skittles, hello, and our very special guest, Jasmine Anthony, one of my favorite people who is a horror movie goat and uh almost a masochist, uh, or a sadist, rather. A little bit of both.
SPEAKER_04I would say that I would say that's true. But hey y'all.
SPEAKER_02Um, so the reason we're all here is because we all have a very, very weird pathological relationship with uh horror movie villains. And that's not a bad thing. You know, everyone has their trauma and how they relate to it in a cinematic way, but nonetheless, um, so starting off with Sione Cosplay, who is your favorite horror movie villain so far?
SPEAKER_04Okay, I'll probably have to say David from Prometheus. Uh and he's not really someone that a lot of people think about, but he's evil as fuck because he his whole goal is I I love how at first you think he is chaotic and neutral, but it's not that at all. He actually thinks that he is superior, he wants to, he has a god complex. And for anyone who doesn't know who David is, yeah. Uh David is an android in Prometheus. Prometheus is a prequel to Alien, so to speak. And so um it's basically talking about the origins of humankind and and how it started was um these group of the uh intellectual omega human beings called the engineers. And so um David was created by this mega billionaire, zillionaire, whatever you want to call it, uh named Whalen. And uh Whalen wanted uh David to traverse the universe or traverse the galaxy to try to find these engineers to figure out you know who created us and why and who are these people. And um David, the android, he was incredibly intelligent, genius level. And at first, you know, he wanted to know why his creator wanted to know how he was created. So he was like, Well, if I know, I must be smarter than my creator, therefore I'm God, and I'm just gonna experiment on everybody because I'm God and fuck y'all. And it was great, it was interesting. Um, he was using uh passengers on the aircraft as experiments, so to speak. So he actually found this biochemical warfare green goo or black goo to turn humans into um the xenomorphs that we know now. It was very interesting, you know, people having, you know, who who had sex and then they had like an embryo, the embryo was infected, busting out people's stomach. It was just it's wild. And David just they're like, damn, that sucks. On to the next one.
SPEAKER_02Damn, that's wild, yo. Okay. Next.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was and um I love anything to do with space, anything to do with astrology and uh cosmology, uh, excuse me, astronomy, astrology, cosmology, anything to do with space or the stars, I'm I'm in it. And then to have this very twisted mind uh to create these horrible genius-like uh creatures on in experiment. And he wanted to he completely believe in genocide on intergalactic levels to create the perfect being. And that's some scary shit. That means nobody, nobody's safe. And um, he actually is still in the process of doing so. Uh so if he's in he's in the in the universe now, probably like decimating planets. So for me, he's he's yeah, he's my favorite.
SPEAKER_02You gotta do what you gotta do. I mean, in intergalactic eugenics is a is a thing. It's interesting that you like kind of like say that because I remember when we were doing like our like Halloween themed episodes like last year, and like you one of the things that I noticed is that you have a strong like proclivity for like sci-fi horror specifically, because I remember we're talking about video games and like Dead Space was one of the ones you like specifically pointed out, it was and so to and I remember when we did our villain episode, like you mentioned you mentioned him from Prometheus in that episode as well. So it's tracking, it's tracking.
SPEAKER_07Um what what do you do for did I really like it too?
SPEAKER_02You did. So um my advice to you is to kind of you know just limit how far you go in the field of science. Um uh so next we're going to throw it over to the doctor. Who is your favorite horror movie villain so far?
SPEAKER_01Oh, my favorite horror movie villain. And this is a tough choice for me, but because I love horror, um, there's so many villains that I just really enjoy, and I think you know, really do their job well as far as creating an atmosphere of fear and you know, just being really interesting. Uh, but to pick one, I'd have to go with Pinhead from the Hellraiser series, and specifically Pinhead from Hellraiser one and two, because after two, like he kind of became more of a generic slasher villain, which, you know, it's kind of like more conventional, I guess, but not as interesting. But in one and two, so Pinhead is kind of a villain, but those movies have their own other villains where um, like in one, you have the uncle who's this kind of like sexual predator, who's also, you know, um killed someone in the fact that killed like the main character's father or manipulated his wife and whatnot. So I really the wife is probably a villain too in that, and she becomes a villain uh going forward as well. But pinhead is interesting because he's kind of a villain, but he operates off of a really specific set of rules. So for a little bit of background on him, uh Pinhead is a Cenobite, which are these creatures created by the Leviathan, which the Leviathan is this eldritch abomination who's essentially the master of hell in the Hellraiser series. And, you know, he warps these people like uh Pinhead was once a uh maybe like sergeant or general, and he warps them into these horrific nightmares. Um Pinhead's whole thing is pain and pleasure and the interplay between the two. And he all says, hey, you know, if you solve this puzzle box, I'll show you some of the greatest pleasures, but you'll also get the greatest pain. And his thing, and I think that a lot of horror movie villains do that in a less direct way, where it's, you know, like for that, like vampires as a horror movie, you know, entity having to do with being a metaphor for sexuality in a lot of ways and emerging sexuality. Werewolves are somewhat like that too. But I think Pinhead does it really explicitly, that whole, you know, pleasure versus pain. And it is it's very jarring.
SPEAKER_02Like the scene, you know, I mean, it is like it's I've seen the images, they are scarred into my mind.
SPEAKER_01You know, I think he does gore in a way that is like it hits multiple levels of almost like disgust, you know, uh, where like you know, it's the bloodiness, but it's also like the violation, you know, and whatnot. And it's it is really scary. Like I think Pinhead is one of the few horror movie villains that is genuinely terrifying and for reasons that are not simply just jump scares, you know, and he has a whole team of cinematics that he you know goes around with like one um it's uh one of them one of them is a woman with like essentially a ripped open vagina in her neck. Like it's I mean, it is like really, it's horrific. And I think it's I think that's super it's scary, but it's also like it's a type of fear that you don't really get from most other horror movie villains. I think, and also um, there's a comic book series with Hellraiser that's really, really interesting and gives a lot of backstory on the lore and who the Cinevites are, and it gives a lot more depth to them as well. So yeah, I just think like when thinking of the horror genre, I'm really not scared that often. And Pinhead is a villain that I always found like very scary, like very at heart and just repellent, you know. And it's I think that that's something that I really, you know, I love. I want to get a little bit of that from my horror movies. I want to be, I always like want to feel like hello, like you you're an affront to my senses, you know? Like, so yeah, I definitely gotta go with uh pinhead. Okay.
SPEAKER_04And it's sexy too. Like, you know, it has like a it's weird how it's sexy. It's like, am I right for thinking this is kind of hot? I don't know.
SPEAKER_05Like, is it wrong to want to be in that position?
SPEAKER_02Like, I mean it doesn't seem that scary.
SPEAKER_04They say it's like a fine line between pleasure and pain. And I think you know, pinhead, he really well pain, but like he does definitely want, I don't know, invokes the pleasure part of it too. You know, even in his sadistic acts, there's something very sexual and you know, I guess almost animalistic. I don't know that what that's what it appeals to in me, like the animal kind of side of it.
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Oh, definitely.
SPEAKER_02I think it also kind of like speaks to this more gratuit, this kind of like more gratuitous and primal aspect of like a more kind of sexual or relationship that a lot of people just have to sex generally, like seeing it as something that is while pleasurable, is something like from while pleasurable in like a subjective sense, from like if you take a step back and kind of like watch or like kind of take away the the more like kind of uh what I want to call them, uh I guess romantic views of them or even like the more fetishistic views of them, it's a very interestingly like gross kind of thing. Like like we like when we look at human sexuality, it's like we have all these like romantic ideas and kinks and fetishes associated with it. But it's like when you look at animals humping in the wild, it's like that's kind of more so what's actually happening once you like peel all the layers back. So I don't so yeah, I kind of want their hands like that, and that's what he does in a very physical way.
SPEAKER_04He peels people and forces you to watch it, you know what I mean? So I definitely that definitely resonates with me. I love Hell Roser because um No, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_04Um, no, I'm sorry. Um I love Hellroiser because um, you know, I saw a lot of similarities with one of my favorite manga slash anime, and that's Berserk. And I think I've mentioned that before. Um the Cenobites have a very uh uh distinct uh similarity to the the apostles, I believe, in um in Berserk. Even the woman uh that has that hair like snakes, and she's covering up her her chest with like her wings, um, you know, but she has like feet, she almost looks like a heartbeat. Um the the man with like the like the teeth that are like kind of pulled back with wire is just like one of the cenobites from Hellraiser, and so I think that the um the creator of Berserk of rest his soul because he uh he just passed away this year, but um yeah, he um I think he was inspired by Hellraiser and the Cenobites for the Apostles because when I saw this shit, I'm like, oh I know this movie.
SPEAKER_02I've seen this before. Okay, well, we are going to throw it over to Jasmine. Jasmine, who is your favorite horror movie villain so far?
SPEAKER_04Okay, so I don't typically root for a lot of like white female protagonists in movies, but Carrie Carrie White and Carrie, I wanted her to get their asses so bad, and it was just so satisfying at the end when she, you know, burned the shit down, have people like exploding and stuff, and you know, she got her mom back. She ended up killing herself, unfortunately. But you know, she got her crazy mom back, and I don't know, Carrie. You know, in Carrie, you know, she's kind of like a victim, but in the end, she definitely becomes exactly the she embodies the brutality she experiences in her life, and she invokes that on others, and it's just very enjoyable to watch. So I think that's my favorite kind of victim villain, um, Carrie, because she was a bad bitch at the end, you know. She always been a bad bitch, she could move shit with her mind, like that was crazy, you know what I mean. I don't know why people were pressed to mess with her. She showed up, she showed them why it wasn't a good idea. You know what I mean? They fucked around and found out. Um I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02Like you're I would have been in the same day.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You wanna pour blood on my head when I'm the promo.
SPEAKER_02You know how all you bitches gotta go down today.
SPEAKER_04Not all you guys gotta go down for that. So Carrie, Carrie White, that's my favorite villain. Because, you know, like they said in Chicago, they had it coming, you know, and they deserved it all. So yeah, she's my favorite, my absolute favorite.
SPEAKER_02So as it pertains to like Carrie, so her story is very allegorical for like a lot of things, and a very like a very like kind of gratuitous coming of age kind of story for uh young women in a lot of different ways. So, how how do you view not just your relationship to Carrie as you know, uh being like a victim sort of villain and you know, kind of like re um damn, what's that word I'm looking for? Oh, um, kind of reclaiming her power in a way. Huh? Oh, what did you say?
SPEAKER_04I thought it was revamped.
SPEAKER_02Oh I thought you said something dirty. I was like, sorry, okay.
SPEAKER_04Uh what I really appreciate about it is that um there's a fine line between being a victim and a villain. You know what I mean? A very fine line. And I think Carrie, you know, for most of the movie, she was a victim. She was a victim of bullying, she was a victim of a mother who was overzealous in her religion and a victim of like a broken home because her father left, you know, never came back. She was poor, everyone knew it. She was different. But then, you know, after a while, yeah, you're right. She definitely reclaimed her power. But I think she did so in the way that she was victimized, you know what I mean? She took the same violence that she experienced and put that on others, and ultimately she succumbed to it, you know. Like at the end, I don't know if people have seen this movie or not, but you know, she brings the house down on herself and her mother, you know, because she realizes, wow, I just went through and killed the whole school almost and you know, stabbed my mom. You know, I just think, you know, it's a very fine line to reclaiming your power, but what does that actually mean? You know, so what power are you reclaiming? You know, are we reclaiming the power of the people who oppressed you or are you reclaiming your power to be different from them? And at the end, she chose to be like the people who oppressed her and it brought the house down on her.
SPEAKER_01She's the uh go ahead.
SPEAKER_04No, go ahead. What was your question?
SPEAKER_01No, I I was I was gonna agree. And I feel like Carrie is one of the few horror movie villains who she's clearly a villain, but she's so sympathetic, I can't be mad at her. You know, like I she's a villain who I was definitely like rooting for, like everything beginning, like everything, you know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and just like you know, be a black in the society, I understand. You understand what that's like to you know, ultimately want to get revenge and to be almost like the people who are oppressing you, but it just goes to show that's not always the best idea, they're not the best example of what you should be. Um, so I don't know, I love that movie, and she you're right, she was super sympathetic, even here. You know, I'm like, she's my favorite.
SPEAKER_07She was a charm.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean, like, so what? She was even different, like it shouldn't have really mattered, but they made it such a big deal, and she was like, Oh, we are more the same than you think.
SPEAKER_02That's why I'm glad I didn't go to this. Okay, moving on to Miss Skittles, who is your favorite horror movie villain so far? And don't say Rochimara.
SPEAKER_03So that's bad, that's bad. Um, but initially, it I had no idea, honestly, but I had to I literally had to like think uh long and hard about this.
SPEAKER_02I could see on your face, that's why I made it. And I would have to I could feel your face, that's why I made you go laugh.
SPEAKER_03Uh no, no, I already, I already had, I already had the the villain. I just wasn't like sure if I was gonna say it. This was my favorite, but um, I'm gonna have to go with um John Kramer, who is also known as Jigsaw. Um I so uh seeing the Saw movies, um, it kind of it kind of takes me to a place where you know where you're you're always thinking about like your morals and your ethics and like how how you would react in these types of situations where you know the the original jigsaw takes you know these people and puts them in these really fucked up situations, but uh uh unbeknownst to them, there each one of them has done some fucked up shit in their life. So it's like who do you save? Like, like, is this person worthy of being saved? Should I do this for me? Or you know, like you start thinking about all of these things and you're like, would I do that? Like, would I would I do that in that situation? Because you know, it's literally life or death. So um, so I can appreciate his uh I I want to say cunning like thought process behind these like survival games, basically. Um, but these are all people who who are who are genuinely like fucked up people. So it's just like ooh, like if I if if I think the the idea of um for me when when I think of horror, the idea of things being close to real life situations is what scares me. Um so like a final destination type deal, like it death is all around us. Is it following us? Uh yes, daily.
SPEAKER_02I got my ceiling panel right now. I almost got up and turned that junk off because I don't know what's gonna fall. You just have me look up for a second. Let me turn this shit down.
SPEAKER_04So you messing with death design there, you better leave that alone. Right.
SPEAKER_03So it's just just the idea of like living my life regularly and then being thrown into uh uh you know a kidnap situation or like any type of realistic thing that could possibly happen. And we've seen shit like this happen, we know it happened. So um, so that that is what that's what's scary to me. And I think that uh jigsaw be the original jigsaw before you know the the copycat came and started doing some wild shit. But yeah, the original jigsaw um is definitely like a dope ass like villain, like just just his whole thought process on just fucking with people, uh, you know, their morals and ethics, and you know, just challenging them in that way, where it where it's literally life or death.
SPEAKER_02So I would hate for Jigsaw to do some shit to me like after I got off work, but that would be that much time. Like I just got off a long ass day of work, and now I gotta now I gotta make a life or death situation. Like, nigga, I'm tired. Like I did not show up here for you to impose your little moral code on my ass. I just worked a nine to eight shift to get away from me.
SPEAKER_04I hope Jinto kidnapped me in the morning before I gotta go to work, right? Like, ain't nobody trying to deal with that after work, you know?
SPEAKER_03Like, oh like after work is like, all right, let me hold on, y'all. Okay, so what we what we gonna do as long as the timer don't go off, everybody take a quick nap and then we're gonna get back to Yeah, like let's just zoom in like an hour, you know.
SPEAKER_04I mean, like that everybody gets a whole gap.
SPEAKER_02When it comes to Jigsaw specifically, so I think that jigsaw is a very interesting choice. Um, so what do you think? What what based on your like your your enjoyment of Jigsaw, like as a horror movie villain, what is something you think you've learned from like his particular brand of like, you know, body horror and torture and like how he enacts his kind of like ideology in the movies?
SPEAKER_03That's I feel like that's a I I didn't even think about this. Um I feel like it's it's definitely oh it's like uh I don't I don't I don't know all the terms, you know you you the teacher, okay?
SPEAKER_02First of all, I didn't ask you to give a thesis, girl.
SPEAKER_03No, it's it's a special kind of crazy. It's a special kind of crazy to to like gruesomely torture people based off of what you what you think is morally right or ethical. Like high like who like first of all, you got a whole lot of time in your hands, and who asked you to do this?
SPEAKER_02Nobody, but the part they gagged me, like you're dying, sir. How much time do you have to do on this?
SPEAKER_04And like it's the energy too, like to make those more contraptions and stuff like that. Yeah, so we're a heel.
SPEAKER_03Like, we don't got time for man started this shit before he started dying. It like, sir, I know you have times on your hands, but it's it's so many other things that you could do, like be with your family, go go go travel.
SPEAKER_01The man had an engineering hobby that got out of control.
SPEAKER_02Right, like whether he'll like because he was like he was like super successful as an engineer, wasn't he?
SPEAKER_03It just it shows it's just yeah, it's just mind-boggling. Like in your in your in your last, you know, dying months, years, whatever. This is what you thought about doing. You was like, you know what? I'm about I'm about to I'm about to rectify some shit. Right. I'm about to set some niggas straight.
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SPEAKER_02He's not the first morally righteous white man to just start doing some crazy shit like that.
SPEAKER_04And it won't be the last. That's the crazy thing.
SPEAKER_02I know that's the whole thing. He will not be the last morally righteous white man. I felt good saying that. I want to say it one more time. Morally righteous white man. It's like it rolled off of the tongue so easily. Um that's the ancestors speak of speaking of morally righteous white men. So, my I I think my favorite horror movie villain. Well, I don't know if you consider this movie like horror as much as you would consider a thriller, but I kind of throw it in that horror genre because it has a lot of different uh body horror. And that is John Doe from Seven. And the I think that the thing that I love the most about I was gonna say that too. Yeah, it's because like it is like a it's like a combination of like Jigsaw and of Carrie, because it's like or Carrie's mother, I'll say, because it's like he's yes, he's just like really like zealot, religious, like religiously zealot guy, and like really dedicated to his faith and like seeing like nothing but sin around him, and he decides to do something about it. And so while everything basically he just starts pursuing all of the seven deadly sins, all of these murders that are based off of all the seven deadly sins and the lengths that he goes to to enact them, and the level of cunning that he goes, like the the strategy, the strategic nature of how he did all this was absolutely amazing. Like, especially the one I think it was sloth, uh, where he kept some someone was like they looked entirely dead, but he kept them alive just enough for them to like feel everything that they were going. Of course, the person died, and the the the finale of the film, if you haven't seen it, you know, because it was in like 1995. Um I did probably I have not seen this.
SPEAKER_04I was about to say you gotta watch it on prime or something because oh, yeah, it is you will be on the edge of your seat.
SPEAKER_07Oh my gosh, don't spoil the edge thing.
SPEAKER_04I will I'm not, but like yeah, the yes, because I I'm stuck at gluttony, I haven't gotten past gluttony.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spoil what happens at the end because it's amazing.
SPEAKER_03It is really yeah.
SPEAKER_02So if you have not seen seven, go see seven, go go see it. It was before you know Kevin Spacey was uh canceled. Uh right. I mean, but say say what you will about Kevin Spacey, but his he's uh he's actually a really good actor, which is you know, I feel he really drew from inspiration in that movie.
SPEAKER_04That's where I'll that's where I'll leave.
SPEAKER_02But uh another reason I love uh I love seven outside of just all the body horror aspects is just the the conversation that is had about one's own relationship to their faith, as well as you know, their relationship to justice and what it means to you know evolve as a person overall and what it means to have a relationship with you know youth and uh hope and you know being feeling tired and hopeless. Um, and so if you look at all three of the characters, if you look at Kevin Spacey who plays John Doe, if you look at um Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt and like the kind of characters that they're constructed as and the relationship that they have, you kind of see this juxtaposition of like this person who's you know tired and you know, just kind of ready to end their career with this like new cop who's like hopeful, he has a family, and you know, his wife's pregnant, and they're like the every like the the horizon is bright, and just the way that story unfolds between the two of them going through this case is so interesting. So, again, not gonna spoil the ending, but go watch seven, please. It will be a joy.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02So my next question is when what was the first, what was your first horror movie villain that really like affected you at like a super young age, or even you know, later on in life? You might have been like a child who wasn't bothered by horror stuff and probably like Jasmine and you just grew up and you just grew up to you know just be you know completely desensitized. But if you were not, what is the what was the first character that really like affected you? Um, we'll start with the doctor.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, I know this. Freddie Krueger. Freddie Krueger terrified me as a kid, and I think it was because um, so the whole thing with him jumping in and out of dreams and oh, like you were never really safe as well if you fell asleep at any time, like he could get you. Like that idea was just you know a complete nightmare, no pun intended. Uh it was uh but yeah, like Freddie Kruger was just absolutely terrifying. And I remember as a kid, I had these red and black sheets. And Freddie was whole thing, oh my god, the red like stripes and my god, Freddie Kruger doesn't get me. And oh, it was it was awful. And you know, related to you know, me like a pinhead, Freddie Kruger definitely had some of that sexuality stuff going on too, like the way you licked victims and him, you know, being this pedophile and whatnot.
SPEAKER_03Coming out of the tub and cheap.
SPEAKER_05Right. Oh my god, the boss in the tub when you just want him to reach his hand up.
SPEAKER_07Wait a minute. I can't take a bath and eat my right.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god. Can I at least wash my ass before you try to kill me? Damn.
SPEAKER_04He wants that as fake as possible. Oh that be that's uh I agree.
SPEAKER_02Freddie is definitely one of the I think that's also just kind of like symptomatic of the eight of a lot, well not to say a lot, but some like 80s tropes because he was one of those characters that was developed in the 80s is like like kind of this trope of not villainizing or but more so like chastising sexuality in a way by always making it this point at which people are going to more than likely just die or at least you know be put in danger. Because like you notice in like movies like Halloween, Jason. Actually, Jason is a great example because it was like people, like teenagers having sex was literally the reason Jason died, and the reason his mom was so angry and started murdering everyone. Because it was the way she described it was hilarious. Well, it was hilarious, it was hilarious because she was like that young boy drowned while the camp counselors were making love, and I was like, Oh, I'm oh they they weren't there for him because y'all were fucking and I was like, Oh, I'm sorry, and so then you know, I mean, so people busting nuts became a very carnal sin in uh every horror movie from that point on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they say if you see two people having sex in a horror movie, they're dying soon.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Doesn't matter what the horror movie is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that was like a rule. That's facts.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think you know, it turned into like a bigger, like moral conversation than people like really took it to be because like sexuality became this thing that you know was visually reprimanded in some way. It's like you will be punished for this in some way, shape, or form. And you know, in horror movies, it was like you're going to die because of like your sexual desires or your like your sexual acts and things like that. So but not to get too far deep into that. Yeah. Go ahead, Sam.
SPEAKER_04I agree with you though. Sex and and horror movies kind of like are married in together, uh like especially with slasher films. And I think um when you have a villain that's about to kill you, uh, you know, when when is the time that you think you would you would least be likely to get killed? That's either you're taking a shit or you're getting or you're fucking someone. So, you know, those are the two instances that you know I think you know, because I've seen horror movies when they're on the toilet, you know, thinking, oh, nobody's gonna like cut my head off taking a shit. And you know, that's how we're gonna back. You know, or someone going balls deep in someone, like that it's it's something you don't think about, you know, and especially, you know, just thinking about people who are being intimate. Like the last thing you're thinking about, shit, today's the day I want to get murdered. You're you know, so it's just something that it's very interesting. Um, you know, it it there's different ways on why sexuality is in horror, either is because, like you said, it's demonizing it, or it's because it's such a far distraction from the the victims to be on when it happens, it just it's complete a completely different left field, but it you know, it it very much is in a lot of horror uh movies and shows for some reason. And this is very interesting because they're like, you know, why would you have sex in in in the dark when you know there's a loose killer in your neighborhood? Let's do it.
SPEAKER_05And I'm just like, okay.
SPEAKER_02We'll be fine, don't worry about it. I'm like, no, no, no, we're we're not there. Um so Sayone, since we're already since you're already giving us the the the beautiful sounds of your mellifluous voice, what has been what who was the first horror movie villain to really like affect you?
SPEAKER_04I would say the monster from Jeepers Creepers for me. Yeah, that kind of fucked me up a little bit.
SPEAKER_02It fucked me up a little bit too.
SPEAKER_04I'm not yeah, but I also know that I wouldn't be in the situation that they were in either. Like I'm just saying, I'm just not me neither, you know. I I don't really see like seasoned folk like such as seasoned folks.
SPEAKER_03A lot of seasoned folks wouldn't be in half of these situations. That is extremely true. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02I mean, except for Saul because self-righteous white men have a tendency to just go and do whatever the fuck to anybody what you do gang violence. So what was it about the creepers specifically, uh Sirane?
SPEAKER_04Um that you couldn't kill them. You couldn't kill this nigga. That was the thing. Like, you know, usually every you know, it reminds me of um Jason, it reminds me of Freddie Krueger. It was they were either impossible to kill or you couldn't kill them. And this guy, you couldn't fucking kill him, no matter what. You can run him over, you can chop him up, you could throw, and he just will reanimate back together. And it was interesting, you know, because either way, he hungry, he's gonna get what he's gonna get. He then you're gonna sleep for like I think it's like 20 years or 16 years or something like that. But you couldn't kill him no matter what. And what it was, it was that animalistic care, you know, type of drive. He would snip his victims, he would lick them, you know, like Rod was saying. Um, but it I don't know if it was more sexual, it was more so like nigga was hungry. He was like, it tastes good.
SPEAKER_06That's what it is.
SPEAKER_04This is what it did. Yeah, it was it was it was horrible. And I think for me, it was that was probably when I experienced the most gut-wrenching death because I we all love the brother. I think he was the brother, um, the guy that was the the protagonist in the movie, and he ended up getting skinned alive at the end.
SPEAKER_02And it was a bleak ending because he fucked around and found out why like why would you go? Why would you follow somebody who's clearly doing some shit that looks really creepy after you had a horrible road rage experience with them and they were in this big rusty ass truck that almost kills you, and then you I blame Scooby-Doo.
SPEAKER_04I blame Scooby-Doo because they always investigate in shit that they have no business being a part of.
SPEAKER_02But the difference was like they didn't they didn't uncover like some real estate fraud or some shit. Like they would cover like this thing was moving and killing people.
SPEAKER_04It's bank scam and like white call of crime stuff, but that's not what we out in these shoes as well. Like, and as a result, oddly smoothie do why are you investigating? It's nothing to do with you. Yeah, it has nothing to do with you. Like, after that, I I wanted to go on road trips, but after that movie, I'm like fuck with you.
SPEAKER_02I'm good. Oh, so Sion, you actually like triggered a memory for me. So I remember I'm sorry, no, not in a bad way, not in a bad way. It wasn't like a traumatizing memory, but it was just one something that stood out in my mind. So one time, so my dad used to have like this truck where he had like a little TV set up, and you know, it was really fancy at the time because you know, technology was still technology and and doing the things, and so like I remember right, he was he went like he stopped. We were driving and he had Jeepers Creepers 2 playing on the thing. Now I'd seen the first one. Actually, I blame Jeepers Creepers for like the random night terrors I might have sometimes, but I'm so sorry. I mean, but not but it's like that's a different story, anyway. So I was watching the movie. So if you've seen Jeepers Creepers 2, it's like there's a bunch of like high school or college, I think they're high school students, and they're on a bus, and that bus stops and gets like stops in the middle of like nowhere because the creeper, of course, you know, set up some spikes and it's like cool, and they're all like trying to stay alive and keep the creeper from eating all of them. And there's this scene where the creeper is literally like haunting and teasing them, and he's like look, he's like going through the bus, looking at every single last one of them, and there's a black boy on that bus, and my daddy he ate shit. I love him to death for this. And the creep, like the creep, once the like creeper looked at the black dude, and he like had this like little snarl, like and my dad's my dad leaned over. My dad leaned over to me and said he was like, Mmm, dark meat.
SPEAKER_07No, I was like, it is and I didn't remember.
SPEAKER_02Right. It was like it wasn't until now, I was like that. Why why would you say that? It was funny at the time, I'm not gonna lie, and it's still funny today, but I was like, wow, thank, thanks, Father. I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_04Um you weren't thinking that you were gonna be on the menu until daddy said, nigga, you're gonna be on that menu.
SPEAKER_02And then you're like okay, uh, Miss Skittles, what was the first who was the first who was the first horror movie villain who really got to you? Who was that one that was like, nah, nigga, sorry, absolutely not.
SPEAKER_03No, so growing up, like I was I was super like super scary. I'm talking about like gremlins scared the fuck out of me.
SPEAKER_02Which is hilarious because you really you like fighting almost everybody.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, now I don't know. I honestly don't know when I became desensitized to uh horror films, but um, but I will say the the first again, this goes back to like realistic, you know, shit for me. Um was it. It was it. I was like, I was like, why would y'all take a fucking clown and turn it into like the the most horrible thing? Like this nigga's teeth, what bruh, I was like, I was petrified. Could this really happen? Could they do like do they do this? Like it was just it was just a whole nother side of some shit that I never even thought of. So it's like, why would y'all Steven, Steven, excuse me, sir, why would you traumatize me like this as a child? Like I don't appreciate, I don't appreciate you taking little cute, little clown funny things and turning into some crazy ass um alien with with fucking the T the T. It was the T for me, uh brush. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02I mean, shout out shout out to Tim Curry for making that role.
SPEAKER_03It was so sad to me is when I look at it like now as an adult, I'm like, bitch, you were scared of what? What was like the the whole shit was just tragic looking. Like if if it how how it looks now looked like that back then, I probably would never I probably would never watch another horror movie a day in my life. But looking back at it, I I mean I know because you know times have changed. That that movie came out in what 1990. So like looking back at it, I'm just like, bruh, he's scared.
SPEAKER_02You was like, I was really tripping.
SPEAKER_03Right, this basic. But yeah, I um it definitely did it for me. It was it, I mean, it was multiple like movies that didn't really have villains, like Pet Cemetery and uh what um Pet Cemetery stuff.
SPEAKER_02What is it?
SPEAKER_03Puppet Puppet Master, like shit like that. That was just like spooky. But when I saw it, it was just like that's um that those are I like clowns. Like they're I thought they was cool, like like now you got me thinking they, you know, sneaking children out the back and you know, murdering them and shit.
SPEAKER_02And I I just uh yeah, no, no, it's funny because like you you weren't the only one who went through that experience, like there was like a whole like the clown industry, uh which you know throws me that there was a clown industry. Um, the whole clown industry really took a hit after it came out because like people were so terrified of clowns that nobody was booking the niggas.
SPEAKER_04Right, and of course, I guess the adults were terrified because who else would have been booking the clowns? You know, it wasn't the kids, like these road people watching this show. It was like, oh nah, man, that happened to me, right? And then you're not trying to re-traumatize your child, like yeah, retraumatize yourself clearly.
SPEAKER_02Okay, Jasmine, what about you? What was that first one that really got to you?
SPEAKER_04Okay, so I grew up in a very religious household. Well, not very religious, but religious enough, you know. I mean, I know who the devil was, I knew who God was, you know, and I feared them both. So anytime the devil was in something, I was scared, and that's what the exorcist was. That poor little girl Reagan, she was like 13, you know what I mean? I was like, oh man, you know, I'm gonna be 13 one day, you know, we're so watching this movie and like the uncut version too. So like it was even worse than like what people saw in the theaters, and I was like, oh man, I better really get close to God because I I'm not with it. You know, I don't want to be no pale, you know, peace soup spewing as, you know, little kid, you know, twisting their necks around. Like that was scary to me, you know, like it was it terrified me. You know, I think like we talk about like the movies that desensitized you. Like after I sat through that movie, I was like, oh, you know, the rest of this horror drama is about this light work. I mean, I was wrong, but like you know, like that was the movie that really like it got me to the core, you know. I was like, damn, like God would let this happen to me if I'm not close to him like that. Like the devil just gonna seep in if I fuck around with a Ouija board. Like no, let me keep this shit on my house. Right. Like I started wearing crosses and stuff after that. Like I was really scared. Like it really messed me up as a kid. So yeah, I would say Reagan and the exorcist because she was so young, you know, like she was a little girl. And then, you know, she became it's this idea, I guess, as I'm old now that I'm older, I think about it of like your body not being your own, you know, that you not having the agency to really be yourself and that other things and influences can make you uh whatever they want you to be, you know. So that really, I think really scared me as a kid, but also it was just like a really gruesome, like looking person, you know. Her transformation was serious, you know. Like I'm from peeing on the floor and then I'm gonna be ugly.
SPEAKER_07Oh no. Oh no, I was always very vain.
SPEAKER_04So I was ugly, never that. So yeah, like I won't I wanted to be possessed, bitch.
SPEAKER_02I'll be hideous. Oh, absolutely not. It's like you gotta pick a struggle, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04You can't be possessed and ugly, you know what I mean? Like a struggle. Um uh uh, I was not with it. So yeah, that really it really messed me up as a kid, and you know, I've seen it since I'm like, oh, why was I so scared? But like as a kid, and you know, I was just like, you know, going to church and stuff. I was like, oh no, the devil, he out here, and he makes me look ugly. Right, out here.
SPEAKER_02He's out here, he's out here, picking off little 13-year-olds one by one, my nigga, just out here grabbing them. Like, oh, I I I I had another question about it. But go ahead, say anything. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_04Oh no, the exorcist was I actually didn't watch the exorcist until I think I was in my very late teens. And um, I know that everybody was like, Oh, you know, the exorcist is scary. And I wasn't, you know, I do like like the possession type of movies, but it was very hard for me to find a good one at the time. So I was like, all right, let me go to the OG of possession movies. And um, there was a there was a couple scenes that are gut-wrenching that I could always remember her walking backwards down them fucking steps. Oh, that's the one that really got me. I was like, uh I just that that just is like just see this like what the what is hell no, that and when she took the cross, and imagine like the actresses. I think I think it it came out in either the late 70s or early 80s or something, I can't remember, but it was it's an old movie, and so for them to be that graphic back then, I I was just so even now to have something like that when when she took that cross and she was like, What you F you, I was like, what the fuck am I watching? I was I was this is taking me way to another dimension the original in 1973. 70 70s see because I remember it came out in the 70s, so just imagine, and then you know, this the 50s and 60s were very much conservative, you know, uh technicolor. Um, they're still doing the Gene Kelly and Fred Esther. So you to go from musicals to to that, the transition. I can just see people running out the movie theaters crying. I can just imagine people were like growing up, crying. Oh, yeah, no, that movie. Sunday after the movie debut, everybody was in church, you know what I mean? So, like that was the impact it had. People were shook, they never seen nothing like it. It probably didn't want to see nothing like it ever again. It was it was crazy. And we watched it as kids, you know what I mean? Like I don't know why I find that so funny.
SPEAKER_02I just I just I could just if reading the Bible wasn't gonna get you go to church, you know what?
SPEAKER_04Maybe this will yeah, exactly. It's that Christian propaganda, they be getting you from all angles.
SPEAKER_02You want to be thrown up over your walls, bitch? Get your ass pay your tithes, pay your tithes, Mary.
SPEAKER_04Pay your tithes and be out here on Mondays.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04But um the movie, the movie set was actually quote unquote haunted because there is uh somebody that died on the movie set. So they really they really spooked the fuck out of them. There that and also uh the crow. Um, I think another person died on that movie set too. So, you know, that really was like, oh, this the movie's fucked up, and the movie's and the set is haunted. People are cursed who does this. So it was just interesting. There are different levels to the exorcist, you know, it was a psychological trip. It was by the time at the time, it was revolutionary and it still is revolutionary. Um and people who were not ready for that. And then to have people die on set, it was just like, you can't tell me y'all niggas going to hell, you were going to church right now, you know, people just really terrified, and they had reason to be, I would be fucked up if I was in the 70s.
SPEAKER_02I would also like to push the envelope that the exorcist really set a standard for like practical effects in horror movies, because everything that happened in that bedroom was amazing. Like it was revolutionary for its time as far as like practical effects and you know, uh just makeup and everything. And it it they did a great job with the film, it was terrifying and it did what it was supposed to do. Um, but overall, like it was definitely revolutionary just as a film because it sets so many standards for films moving forward. So um, I guess the the the one that got me, um, so fun fact, I do have a very, very real fear of zombies. Um but that's ironically not the thing that got me when I was little. Now I did accidentally watch, like I think it was Day of the Dead or something. It was one of the Day of the Dawn of the Dead movies, because it was back when Zenith was still making television. So you can, if you're if you were born in the 90s or at least the 80s, you might know what that you might know that name. But um so we came home from church and you know, I just sat down and I was flipping channels on TV, and it just I wouldn't be on. I didn't know what the fuck I was watching, but that wasn't the thing that got me. What got me was Chucky. Chucky was that horror movie villain that fucked me up for a while, for like a long time. Like, I like if no, like I have my Gengar plush with me like right now. I I love toys. I've always loved toys. I've always loved plush, but that really fucked me up. Like, I cannot tell you how many years of my like childhood that I spent, like when I would go, I was so terrified of Chucky like coming into my home and murdering me that when I went to sleep, I would pile all of my plush toys around my around the head of my bed, and I would like be, I would like sleep under the covers because I was so like I want like my idea was that they would protect me. I was like so scared. Like I can distinctly remember like lying in my bed at night with all of my toys like around my head to make me feel safe, and like staring into like the darkness, into like my bathroom, because like my the way my room set up, my bed was facing the wall, and like to the right was the door to the restroom. And so I but my mom made sure we always all the doors be closed. Well, see, my mom, no, see that's so that's around with them open doors to this day.
SPEAKER_04No, we close them all.
SPEAKER_02So, like my mom, my mom's bathroom. Like, she never wanted us to have doors closed because her her reasoning was you never know, like an emergency might come up, like a fire or something might be happening. And if you need to get up and get out, like if the door is closed, then you you know you you're setting yourself up.
SPEAKER_04What about the ghosts? Right, what about the ghost? Right, you put a winter knife coming in, like bitch, everything won't be locked right now.
SPEAKER_02Right, so I like imagine like little seven, eight-year-old me, like in bed, terrified, toys surrounding me, like it's like I'm a goddamn, like like it's the holy fucking trinity. Like, like I blessing all of these hoes, and I'm like staring at like doorways at like looking for some like tiny little murderous doll to come after me. It fucked me up for so long. I don't think I stopped being afraid of Chucky until maybe like mid-high school, somewhere in high school, or but like yeah, I was I was I was almost into college like before I stopped being afraid of Chucky. Wow, yeah, no, yeah, um and then when Small Soldiers came out, that shit didn't help. Like that fucking movie got on nerves too. It wasn't a horror film, but like I didn't I didn't need toys coming to life and trying to murder me. I got too many of them bitches, I don't need that in my life.
SPEAKER_03So, like master, yeah. It was just like you know, I weirdly didn't bother me. Really?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it really didn't bother me. But they was toys. I I guess because they looked like ugly little like marionettes, they didn't bother me. Like they were like tiny, they I saw them as more like tiny little like weird creatures. They didn't they looked, they didn't look so they didn't look enough human, they didn't look human enough, excuse me, to like terrify me. I think that was the thing there. Cause like I just saw them was like, oh, these are like ugly little dolls, and like otherwise, like no, this is something looks like a child, it looks human enough to to like pass. And like the fact that like Chucky could literally just go re-de-animate himself and just like a regular fucking doll and go yes, nobody would nobody would notice, nobody would notice. And I think that the thing that scared me, one of the things that scared me the most about the Chucky films is that he was able to be in disguise for so long, and no one was ever able to suspect that he was doing all the things that he was doing. And when the child would try and say, Chucky did that shit, like Chucky is the one, it would like no one believes him. And I think that that's something that kind of taps into that fear of being a child where you're not the things that you say are true are not believed to be true, and like people think you're lying because it seems super outlandish. And they try, and you know, there's this like impulse to use reason and logic and all these things to you know, you know, determine what is what the truth actually is. But you know, it's kind of that you know, from the mouths of babe's um kind of saying where you know, children will tell you what's going on, you just need to listen to them, and no one will listen to this child, and all these people were getting murdered, and the child almost got murdered, that his damn self. And so, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it was that was a very traumatic movie for me, extremely so. Like, even to the point where like I remember when the sequel um the sequel trailers were coming out, I remember the Bride of Chucky sequel trailer came out, like that re-triggered me all over again.
SPEAKER_04Like, I could not sleep that reminds me of uh Furby's um after watching after watching Gremlins that fucked me up because um it looked like Gizmo.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they look exactly like Gizmo, they look like Gizmo, and I I watch, I remember when um Furbies came out and I got a Furby, and then I watched Grim Gremlins afterwards, but I'm like hold the fuck up, and I had to give the freak out and I bet it like did one of those like weird blinks at you too, like yes, and it's because of that and like that animatronic like thing that's going on, and then they like stayed on, yeah like after you stopped talking to it, yes, in the middle of the night it would say feed me.
SPEAKER_04I'd say fuck no, I'm taking oh no, nope.
SPEAKER_02You know, and that all that but that by first that by extension, like that fucked up those Christmas toys that were like like motion censored, like they would like activate and start talking and singing. Nope, fuck those two, nope.
SPEAKER_04But like who was asking for that to be a feature of a toy, you know what I mean? Like don't body a lot of people though, it was revolutionary for the time, you know. I like a boy silent, right?
SPEAKER_05Don't talk to me.
SPEAKER_02I have only had one toy to my knowledge like to my knowledge to this day that has ever made any noise, and that was a pair of the platypus plush. I got uh a pair of the platypus plus that I got from the Disney store, and it made a little noise.
SPEAKER_07Oh, that's so cute.
SPEAKER_02Don't make that noise no more because the thing broke a while ago, but like you know, the I don't make don't speak words, don't say things.
SPEAKER_04Uh-oh, don't be asking me to feed you or talk to you.
SPEAKER_02No, no, fuck around and have a time to nobody got time for that at all at all. So I guess my next question for y'all is what was the point where you started to appreciate not just you know horror movies, but like these horror movie villains? Like, what what made you be more interested in them as characters? Let's start with Sayone.
SPEAKER_04Oh we forgot to ask Rod what was his childhood one? Yeah, we got a doctor.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, huh?
SPEAKER_04Oh, we did? I was like, wait, child, my brain fog.
SPEAKER_02I was like, I've been so fine. I've been staring at you this whole time because the eyes that you have for this cosplay are just like extremely mesmerizing and like in like uh in like a scary but also like really like I can't look away type of way. It's like why I was like it's like I'm trying to die mentally dissect what's happening, but like the just uh it's a lot, but yeah.
SPEAKER_07So what was the effect? Thank you.
SPEAKER_02When did you when did you start to like really get interested in these characters?
SPEAKER_04I would say I'll I'll probably start with what got me into horror, and I think that really starts with like the whole entire love that I have for it. And I remember I was six, six or so. My brother would play um Resident Evil and Mortal Kombat. And for me, it was like, this is this is great. Is that a blunt? Is that a spa? Holy crap. And I'm just like kind of like picking on the corner, you're like, you know, you can't watch this. And then they saw my interest. And I'm just like a little kid. I'm just sitting, you know, I kind of like infiltrated little by little. And I just, you know, I went from the corner to the carpet to the couch. I'm just sitting there. And um it was it was just so I know I shouldn't be watching, you know. When as a kid, you're like, you don't mean I suppose nobody's stopping me either. Um, and so it really pushed the envelope, just watching that and then watching action. But it was kind of like a high and then watching like horror. And I'm like, oh, oh, this is this is the love for me. Like I like this, I like where it's going. Like, yeah, my little pony is cool, cabbage patches is cool and shit, but this, this right here, this is this is for me, and I was six, which is telling. So um, I think after that, uh, I care about Children of the Corn, that was probably the first one that I watched that gave me nightmares, and no horror movie after that gave give gave me nightmares. But seeing that that and children of the damn, we're just taking it back old school, like to the 70s where everybody had that's my children of the corn. It was um, it was it was it was creepy because it was involving children, and that's why it was more real, like like what Miss Skittles was saying. When it's when it's real to you or something about it you can relate to is when it starts to fuck up your head. And so children of the corn had children. Um, of course, hence the title, but it I wouldn't say there was a there was a uh a one particular monster, one particular villain. It was like the cornfield was haunted and it thrived off of the blood of people like sacrifice, and how it killed you was wow, like it would like pull off your head from your spine, type of shit. After that, I couldn't sleep that night. I was like, fuck sleep, I can't I ain't eat no more corn, bitch.
SPEAKER_02We ain't going to no cornfields, we ain't even eating cornbread. No more.
SPEAKER_04Oh, not the cornbread, no more corn plates, nothing.
SPEAKER_02Get that shit out of here.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, till this day I've never been in a cornfield, actually.
SPEAKER_02I just I think I had no desire. But because you know, I grew up in the south, we did have a field trip where we picked cotton, but that's a story for a different day. Um no, no, yikes, no, no, I know that's a horror story.
SPEAKER_04That is a horror story. What?
SPEAKER_02Jordan Peel, that's Jordan Peel's next film.
SPEAKER_04Oh yes, all right.
SPEAKER_02So uh Jasmine, uh, what was oh okay, what was the point at which you started to develop more of an intrigue rather than a fear for these characters?
SPEAKER_04Um, I think it's when I started reading about them. So when I was in elementary school, um I would read a lot of books, and I came across a scary story to tell in the dark. Oh, yeah, reading those stories, like not only did it like scare me, but it excited me. I was like, oh man, this is spooky. This is so interesting. I want more of that. So just reading, you know, and of course, like the lesser of the evils is like goosebumps, you know, later on Fear Street and those sort of books. Um, really, I don't know. That is what got me um kind of more thinking about like, hmm, who are these kind of like ghosts and stuff? What are their origin stories? Like, you know, how did they become the monsters that, you know, we portray them as um today or how they're perceived to be. I don't know. It was always about reading about them. Cause like in my mind, you know, I had a well, I guess everyone has a real active imagination, you know. They, you know, they felt like people I knew sometimes, you know what I mean? Like some of their histories and some of like, you know, how they enacted their spooks, they were bound to be a people. And I was just like, oh, you know, I think that's really what um I guess reading horror made the monsters human, you know. I mean, it humanized some of these kind of like ghosty ghost like presences, you know. So I would say like reading books like Scary Stories of Tell in the Dark, which is still kind of creepy, you know. I I went back and read those like kind of recently. I'm like, oh, I was doing this as a kid, huh? Damn. But like, you know, that's I don't know, that's where I kind of started to get like um get like sympathy and empathy and overall, I don't know, enjoyment out of like the villains because ultimately they're they're usually people or you know, derived from what was once a person. So I don't know, reading about it.
SPEAKER_02I think that's really cool. Um I think it also like kind of leans towards something I think that we talked about in our villain episode. No, no, we didn't talk about it. We talked about it offline, but um, just like when we look at like different monsters and villains and stuff like that, we look for a motivation rather than just oh, this is an evil thing, this is a bad thing, what they're doing is bad, so it has to stop, right? Like we we moved away from this like really simple kind of moral binary of good and evil, and look like, oh, this is why this is happening. Okay, this is why these characters are the way they are. So I think that's really cool that you got into that like hella early, especially when it came to like horror films.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, still, still here, yeah. Years later, still into horror. Sometimes I still root for these villains and you know, the movies because I feel like they're a reflection of the societies from which you know they come, you know. Um, and sometimes I root for them as a result. Like, yeah, you know, like with Carrie, like, yeah, fuck these, fuck these crackers, you know what I mean? Like people you go tampon the shit at you, like, okay, that's you can just show me the thing.
SPEAKER_02All right, cool, fuck y'all team.
SPEAKER_04Okay, say los, you know, so um, yeah, that I think it started there was just kind of reading about them and learning about like their origin stories. And I'm just like, oh shit, like, you know, as someone, you know, who um experienced a lot, like a lot of trauma growing up, I'm like, damn, you know, that kind of sounds like you know what I went through, you know, like um when you lose someone or you know, when you have to change locations and stuff, you know, that can, you know, bring out kind of the monster side in you. So, you know, I think that's um how I came to like really appreciate villains, you know, because ultimately they were people, they are people, you know, they're just kind of monstrous versions of them.
SPEAKER_02The Skittles, what about you? When did you start developing like more of an interest and less of a fear?
SPEAKER_03Um, um I would say I want to say because it kind of reminds me of something that Santa um said, but like as far as like video games, um Mortal Kombat was like one of my first video games. So um and as we're talking, like that's probably where I began to.
SPEAKER_01be desensitized to you know like blood and gore and things like that um but um as far as like developing like i i just i would definitely say mortal combat probably did that for me because a lot of the a lot of the characters um like jasmine are saying was saying like their their backstory you know they used to be somebody else and then because because of all of this wild shit happening in their life you know they become different people um and so the more the the more i see these villains it's just like well why is this person like this in in the first place like what happened here like so yeah I I feel like um even even you know with with being being a blurt in general you see it with you know anime you see it in um comics and everything like that so you a lot of these villains have there there's a reason why they are the the way they are and I don't think horror villains are any different um in that aspect so um a lot of times I'm just like why why is this person like this in the first place and that's where that's where you where you start to empathize and sympathize with like where where they came from you know what started this um and then and then you know I just I just love like a good like gory like you know I'm you know I'm all for that so like you know if you're if you're a villain and and and you you um you like mutilating people that sound crazy that sounds crazy yeah but let me watch you know what I mean let me watch like if you don't do it you know might as well stream it's not but yeah like it I mean it it's it's those moments where I'm like oh you know like oh like like like I'm like oh that's disgusting but I like I respect you like but I can't look away right it's like well damn okay okay I see you crazy but um I guess it in those moments I just that's when I feel like I don't want to stay connect with them because that just sounds crazy but yeah I appreciate I appreciate the the um the horror that you brung like I understand I I I see you I guess you exactly yes uh the doctor what about you when did when did when did like this relationship with with with horror movies go from one of fear to one of intrigue and interest so it's interesting like I guess when I was a little kid that I was pretty easily scared you know by some a lot of horror movies were just you know I I liked them but I was like oh you know like this is I can't watch this by myself and it's gonna be nightmares and whatnot but um I think what really helped me ease into horror more effectively was the thing of like those shows like Are You Afraid of the dark and like reading goosebumps books so things like I call and Ghostwriter yeah exactly you know it's like oh this is you know it's horror elements and you know but it's not to the degree that you know this is not gonna give me nightmares it's just gonna you know it's gonna be interesting and it's gonna like ease me into you know like horror villains and horror tropes are you afraid the dark didn't give you nightmares I just I just wanted to be clear like that show did not give you nightmares it didn't she's like nah that should have me up wait yeah because I would just there were a few episodes I was like right I would watch cartoons afterwards like exactly have me on Toon Disney you know how I mean all my you know what the heck no like I yeah it never like it was always a little scary to me but it never was like oh I can't finish this or you know I was never like oh pull the covers up over my head like not watching parts like it was no it's like oh this is cool like I like this and then you know that just did it more into it was it was just enough to really get me intrigued. And that's when I started you know as I got older going into you know more horror movies and I think horror comics really got me interested as well um I thought there was a Hellraiser comic that I mentioned like that's something I really really enjoyed. It was definitely overlapped two of my interests in a way that worked really well for me.
SPEAKER_02So so world building will definitely like be like oh wait there's more here let me see hold up I kind of like uh miss Miss Skittles and and Jasmine like I um I didn't start to really get into the more intriguing parts until I saw like oh there's something behind horror that's happening here. And oddly enough that didn't happen until much later on in life for me until I want to say within the last maybe like five to six years um I like I told you all earlier like I have a really terrible fear of zombies. It's a very real one I don't I don't care if it probably won't happen I'm not here for it in any way shape or form. But like Michael Jackson's thriller like after I saw that Dawn of the Dead shit I was like nope I'm not fucking with this I'm not fucking with any of it. Nope get it away from me this should not be happening. So but there's this 2014 documentary I had to look it up because I couldn't remember the name of it. It's called Doc of the Dead and it basically is like a documentary on the genre of zombie movies and how like it has been uh a genre that has not just been about zombies specifically but has used zombies as a vehicle to mirror the fears of the times like as we've kind of as they've like been made and so it's like they started from you know understanding like original zombie movies and you know what zombies were then they're like more mystical and kind of like a lot of people's like religious and spiritual fears and things like that. And then moving towards you know like the um the dawn of the dead or like day of the dead series and stuff like that where it where like it was taking place in malls and stuff and it was like replicating or mirroring people's fears of capitalism and industry and things like that. And you know just kind of the the the nine to five grind of you know being a zombie and going to work and like meandering about in these ways and then moving from that into like you know the you know war on terror and biochemical warfare and people being afraid of viruses and diseases and things of that nature where you saw um being turned into a zombie transform into this you know something that is you know uh something that's passable pass something that you can like pass on to other people and it's like a this constantly constantly constant looming threat. And you know of course that spawned its own kind of like subgenres of different things like when you get into games like the last of us and you see that these kind of like zombie like creatures are you know rep are you know part a part of a very natural process when it comes to you know nature and like things like that. And it wasn't until I saw that documentary that that truly opened my eyes to horror as a genre in all of its totality and being able to look at different characters and villains and seeing the things that they represent. Because one of the things that I did not understand about horror until I watched that documentary was that horror movies are like centering people all the time, right? And not just the things that people are afraid of but the problems that they deal with like I haven't seen mid summar but like from what I hear about the film it really takes this like group of people and it takes all of the problems and like their infighting and all the issues with their relationships and their personal lives and it manifests those through that horror tale which I think is most interesting like um one of the like one of the things that I love the most about movies like that um you know and you know just generally like movies like Jeepers Creepers as well is that there is there has to be an admission not just of the fear but of why you're afraid in the first place. And so it was like when we were talking earlier and I was like okay well what you know what what what was that point or like what was the thing that really like you know hit you initially it's because like when we when we know that we're afraid of things it's more so of a question like why we're afraid of that thing in the first place. And I think horror movies really tap into that like um like uh fuck final destination like taps into that you know that that fear of like that of death like not and not even like just death in general but how random it can be and how uncontrollable uncontrolled it can be plan or no plan like it can it can and will happen and we don't have control over when that will happen regardless of what we may think. And it's like even if you have some semblance of like an idea of control over your life um in the same way that you know God might have a plan, death also has a plan. And even if you think you're avoiding something is like your time is just not there yet. And so you're still a part of the grand plan you just don't know when it's supposed to happen. And so that's terrifying for people it's like and but it also gives us the opportunity to confront that you know inevitably we will have to deal with the fact that we will have to die. And hopefully it's not in some of the gratuitous ways that you know are put in front of us. But nonetheless, right, it's something like it's one of those things is like the more you it the movie showed to me or the series showed to me like the more you try to run from it, the more difficult it's going to make it and that you know it's its own layer of like of conversation when it comes to how you how people value things and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_04So uh to kind of like I think that's a reason I really oh I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02No go ahead go ahead.
SPEAKER_04I was just gonna say I think that's one reason I really appreciate horror in general is that like it covers the darker side of life just like you know in the Bible it says as surely as you live you will die you know so you know confronting that you know the duality of existence and how you know um and how it's not always pretty you know how it's not always as sunshine and rainbows you know death is scary and you know gruesome but that's part of our existence you know I feel like horror has you know allowed me to kind of like embrace that almost you know and not be so fearful of it because you know that's just a part of our existence here in this universe that we're going to die. So I don't know I I really appreciate horror for you know kind of being not like a necessarily a safe space but a space to kind of interrogate your relationship with your ideals around death and morality and things of that nature. No it was it was just reminding me um hearing both of both of you talk about um on the spirituality aspect of horror and um you know aside from sci-fi I very much gravitate to demonology um I I I find it very interesting and I think I have an interest in the unknown so to speak uh you know we we know that there are people who are uh butchers and uh people who shoot up places so that those are things that we know about we know about killers there those are things that we've either seen or heard of um in our lives and um but for me it's demonology is very interesting because I am a spiritual person so seeing um I think the movie Hereditary was very interesting to me and uh Ari asked yeah I think that's his name um he's the same person who did um Midsummer Midsummer uh really I wasn't too much of a fan yeah the same the same pretty they also did the strange thing about the Johnsons I don't know if anyone's ever seen those 30 minutes can we not talk about that can we not talk about that well I'm just saying that they also did that they did that I promise you Suchy no shot will never forgive me if we talk about that for all I can has a very twist he has a very twisted mind he has a very twisted I'm sorry oh um if you got 30 minutes for that one you know and a glass of wine if you if you think you can if you think you can stomach it just google it and uh let us know what happens but otherwise yeah it's yeah it it hits home because they're black is the worst is worse than um what was that show there was a show on Amazon it was very it was it was a lot of black trauma and it was a black show Leah we've made yeah it's way it's it's way worse because it's not what we would expect right and I think that's really what it is. So the one the one that you're talking about on Amazon I thought it was going to be more like um Lovecraft country so to speak but it it was just trauma porn to be honest. So I stopped watching it after like the third episode I don't even know how it I watched the whole thing uh it I I thought it was good I thought it was very good it was like there was a lot of yes it is not the especially the the latter episodes not for the faint of heart no that yeah and I would say the same thing about the strange things about the job like it is it's not for the faint of heart you know it can be very triggering um but it it is definitely horror that's what I would say definitely it's real life horror for it's yeah it feels very there are no supernatural aspects whatsoever and it doesn't even need I don't even know if that would you I think that is scary on its own yeah it's it's it's definitely terrifying for sure um but already's asked already asked he's he has a brilliant sick mind oh yeah like um like Stephen King for sure but um it's it's interesting because um watching hereditary the I have to give it to the actors and actresses the shit felt real and and and even though it was based off of you know you know demonology so to speak it the acting you know when someone cries you can tell oh whatever they they cried no you felt this shit you felt when someone died you felt the trauma on what how you're supposed to feel you're you're supposed to feel sorrow and loss and when I saw that I'm not gonna spoil it for whoever didn't watch it but when I saw this character literally feel like she was about to cry her guts out because she lost someone close to her it I feel like crying it was just thinking about it and just it was just that scene the death scenes were so graphic. It was it's not like somebody's killing you it's like self-mutilation and it hit it hit it hit very differently for me. I think the the and it was different it was a slow burn for sure it wasn't like constant oh this is what's gonna happen a lot of things were like wow you really just did that you may really had these people just die that way and the timing the timing of it it was it was probably one of my favorite it's it's of the top 15 or 20 favorite movies horror movies of all time for me because it was new number one and it's so hard to find new content that that's that's not typecasted that doesn't have um you know these things that we're all always used to seeing um you know so it was a different and fresh uh vibe and and it got me into researching about demonology you know kind of like going with my spirituality but also it pairs with um the lesser uh King Solomon and I didn't really know much about King Solomon and the lesser demons and so on so on and so forth but it got me really interested and I remember like the Bible was always something that I wasn't I something you read when you go to church but I didn't have appreciation for it like that to compare to you know because I feel like what was taught I'm like you have so much question here and it's all in the old testament so yeah it was going down in the old testament I don't know what was if there was like a fuck around and found out fuck around and find out testament it was old testament God was making it in the old testament people the old testament is the best horror movie ever it is a beast like a real beast of a a time to be alive like good lord yeah the old testament for I feel like for me I would I I I then I find myself even till now researching on the old testament and just I'm just so intrigued by it. Because there are a lot of like demonology and supernatural shit and that like I fuck with that I'm like this is cool. And then going you know to the very end of the Bible revelations this is cool. So it's just I'm like this this is how you know and then even uh demonology and and any angiographology as well and how the angels that we were grown up to think were angels in the Bible no they look like demons. And that was like revolutionary for me. So I think um going back to uh hereditary and just more spiritual, you know, I love how there is a cross with spirituality and horror because for people who are very religious, you know, they are these are things that they're either terrified of or things they don't want to teach because it is a terrifying subject. So I've always been interested in that as well. And I think what I like also about hereditary is that element of cults and how um there are a lot of things that you know happen in the shadows you know groups of people that organize for whatever their purposes are that's something that's always been really fascinating me. That's why I love Midsommer or hereditaries that cult because the religion you know when you think about it is kind of a cult. You know what I mean? Say it again horror forces you to really confront that you know what I mean like damn you know what's what are they doing so differently from what I'm doing.
SPEAKER_02You know what I mean there's a video that Livecrack made is like the history of cults in America. It actually goes it takes the time to really examine how actually ubiquitous cults are to our country especially not even just in like a religious context but just in terms of power context. Yeah power at like our culture in general like a lot of things that we engage in are very cultish. We say cult classic all the time but um the next question I have is like one of the things that I know all of us have if y'all have not seen Midnight Mass.
SPEAKER_04I haven't watched it yet I heard it was eh but that's that's the only thing keep me from it cult galore midnight mass on Netflix oh yeah you gotta it's a slow it's real slow until episode three okay it just gets a little crazy I give it other I I like it I'll give it I would say it's great storytelling okay well that's all you have to say you know I love a good story yeah yeah they they really take their time to develop the characters and the surroundings and the beliefs of the people I just thought that was really bad. It's slow you know as a result but like once you get to that episode yes as long if the I watched that show and then I thought about the black McCoy yes I thought about you the entire time I was watching that show the black like I I really I was watching yes watching it with talent I'm like the black we gotta watch this I'll have my uh my think piece ready after after after I get it. And it is indeed invoking of like a think piece you know when you think about um religion and you know what it means to be a community um and what it means to to have a a belief in something higher than yourself. Like what is what are what are you really saying? What are what are the implications of that? Midnight mass does a really good job of interrogating that and kind of turning it on its head a little bit. Mm-hmm it starts off okay following following blindly as well and and and and it's a very thin line between religion and cult. And um Who does it not push the line on what we see every day, even in our own community? Thinking thinking and you know blindly or following blindly and not being and it's okay to have questions because with questions you learn. But you know, it's just like if if if you are a true quote unquote who whichever you follow, very very carefully look what you're doing because that's that's against we're teaching. And is it okay to ask questions? Because that's the always telltale kind of difference, you know. Like, is it a safe place to to question, to have doubt, or to think or interpret things differently? Yes. Oh, Midnight Mass explores that. Um, yes, and so does hereditary, so does Midsummer, you know. What does it mean, you know, to be a part of a community, you know? Um, what are the sacrifices you have to make?
SPEAKER_02Y'all trying to give me to teach a class on these these particular things.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I mean, I mean more, you know, it's a great social commentary, you know, a lot of um critiques of culture, you know, whether it's squid gains to the critique of capitalism and US imperialism and Korea, you know, to Midnight Mass, to the critique of like organized organized religion and what does it mean to be part of a religious sect, um, and maybe even have questions about it. Like there, I don't know, horror lends itself to a lot of um discussions around ethics and culture and sociology and psychology. So you should definitely teach a class on it. And then you know how the police coming up, you know, absolutely. I'm I'm all for it, and especially the the insidious infiltration of come on insidious infiltration, you know what I'm saying? Like really the the having an insidious ideology and spreading it to the masses because of community and and seeing the the progression from start to finish is wild because when you it's like having an argument or having a debate for you you always want to debate with someone that is that can have a wavering soul. If you have someone that you know is not going to waver from their decision, you wouldn't fuck with them. But someone who kind of seems either uncertain or someone that's open to hearing what you're saying or kind of close, they're the ones that you can latch on to. And unfortunately, when it comes to cults, they latch onto the vulnerable or the lost. And um, if it gives me Jim Jones vibes, Charles Manson, yes, all them sort of people, yes, even having all Osteen, Charlie Jones, yes, yes, yes, yes, you know the doors of his church are closed.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, oh okay.
SPEAKER_02So one of the last questions I have for y'all is you know, horror explores a lot of different things, but I think one of the things I can say that all of us have kind of experienced as we've gotten older is the more comedic facet of horror. So you have to point out what it is to you. What is your what is your favorite horror movie comedy movie? Not even because it was like a horror comedy, but it was just a funny ass moment in a horror movie. We will start with Miss Skittle School. She looks ready as fuck.
SPEAKER_03So, so in in um in the new uh the new it, the new versions of it, that one scene where your boy, your boy is on this, on the on the projector and he he doing that. Oh, that wasn't funny. Like bruh, why are you doing it? His head was getting big as fuck. When I say I hollered in the movie theater, I was like, bruh.
SPEAKER_07That is hilarious.
SPEAKER_03What is this? Of course, the kids scared to dust because this nigga on the projector screen in the garage or whatever. But I'm like, bruh, that's hilarious. I said, what is going on?
SPEAKER_04The meme that came from that was hilarious. Are they gonna put trap music to him doing the little Jesus?
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. Everybody in the theater was probably like, what the dying laughing.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Oh the doctor, what about you? Favorite funny moment in a horror movie.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so definitely has to be final destination two, when uh the little boy who like him and his mother, you know, are both targeted by death, and like you know what it is.
SPEAKER_00He escapes death in the dentist office and looks like when this little shit runs outside with some pigeons and fucks with it, like his ass falls on him, but it curves it into fucking glue. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05It's looking like fucking little kid. Like he was the last one, too.
SPEAKER_02Like he was the least sympathetic.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, that's how I felt about that kid in the box. I was like, this kid sucks. Like, oh Jasmine, what about you, sweetheart? Okay, well, I'm not moving.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so of recent, um, I watched that movie Malignant. There's a scene in the movie, right? So we just go call it Gabriel. That's what he's called in the movie. You know, he got these magical fighting powers. He's like a ninja, you know, he was slicing and dicing, you know. Um he was locked up and he got out and he was in a prison or a jail. So he went through the whole precinct, like he beat everybody as in the whole priest, and there were these two cops left, and they were hobbling away in the house was exiting the priest. He had already beat the as like the one girl had her stomach split open, the other one had his like whole arm, like you could see the bone, like it was nasty. Like they they were losers, you know what I mean? They had lost the battle and were on their way out. So, like I said, we thought Gabriel was also leaving, you know what I mean? So Gabriel walking towards the door, whatever, he picks up this chair and he just like flings it and he throws it at him, and it hits the both of them and knocks them both out, and I was dead because I'm sorry. They were already hobbling away. Like, what is wrong with you? Like, I just felt like that was so next level. I don't care the chair was like the reduced noise, like it just knocked them in the both of them in the head at the same time, and it would just collapse all the floor. It was just like, come on, man, like you had already beat them, you had already beat them down, you know.
SPEAKER_02Why they're fucking with you, they was on in the gag about the moment was that they were on the entire opposite side of the room going in the opposite direction, all the way on the other side of the room. This nigga threw this extra fuck you cherry on top and flung this chair like like it was like a disc, like that person was like at the Olympics, like playing that person.
SPEAKER_03I was like, I had to pause the movie because I was I I was dead, so yeah, that was Gabriel Petty anyway.
SPEAKER_02I was petty as fuck, always favorite funny moment in a horror film.
SPEAKER_04So Talon and I we wanted to watch, you know, a new horror movie on Netflix, and we saw one that's called The Girl on the Third Floor, and the reviews I think that's the first time the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes was completely fucking wrong. Um it said it was like 95, and it said some some some high rating. And um, we're watching this. This it's about a house, and apparently this house had some type of cult uh relationships with like people and orgasms or yeah, not orgasm. Well, I'll get into it. With uh I'll get into that why I said that, uh, with orgies and so on and so forth. So we're you know, telling I'm like, all right, bet, you know, we'll see, you know, what's going on with this. For me, I can tell the movie's good within the first five minutes. And it was giving me corny vibes. I'm like, I'll just keep watching it because you know, the the cinematography looks all fucking weird, and the people can't act. I'm like, we'll just keep going because the ratings are high. So the house, it was starting to like ooze this this substance. There was like a black hole in the wall. And you know, the I think these these couple just just moved into this house, and this house was dirt cheap and it was a mansion or big ass house, which is already a red flag. So the guy touches the wall and he looks at the the the substance and he's like, Is that cum? And I'm like, what are we watching? I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_07Wait, wait, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02I'm so wait, he just touched the wall and was like, is that dumb?
SPEAKER_04Like he was just touching and he it was just like the house kept oozing semen. It was the most bizarre. I'm telling you, shit's on Netflix right now. I what's the name of the group? The girl on the third floor.
SPEAKER_02I'm about to move this to my queue right now.
SPEAKER_04The girl walls oozing seamen. The girl, so now y'all, now y'all. Oh, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_02I found it the girl on the third floor. So adding to my list.
SPEAKER_04It was and like the house, the house was like orgasming. It was weird, and it had nothing to do. There was no development of the story. I said, It just started coming, huh? The house just started coming, like no simulation, no nothing. Like, you know, if you see something like on it on a wall, you probably like will do this. The way how he just like uh what he's like, what is this? Um this movie is out of pocket. I'm definitely about to watch it. And that was that was this year. I never before yeah, that was this year that I watched that wild shit, and and I I don't think anything anything that could oh my god maybe Hansel and Gretel when the gingerbread man uh got that kid and um and like re it was the the the visuals were so horrible, but the gingerbread man extended his arms and I think it was a grim fairy tale or something, and took the kid and the kid morphed into the gingerbread man and he bit his arm like I taste good, like I died fucking laughing, you know. That was the funniest shit I ever seen, but but the cum house for me that that beat it.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, that's phenomenal.
SPEAKER_04They really just be putting it in. I'm watching that. I'll definitely watch it.
SPEAKER_02Oh it's it's in it is in my great recommendation. Love to see a house just dripping with semen.
SPEAKER_07Oozing. Oozing.
SPEAKER_02Oozing. Okay, so my my one of my favorite moments has to um comes from okay, so if you have seen fucking the child's play like series, whatever, I forget which child's play movie it was. I think it was the cult of Chucky. And so basically, you know, the kid in the original Chucky movies, in the Chucky, original Chucky movie, you know, because he got away, Chucky had like had this like horrible vendetta against him because of like the one that got away, the kill that I never got a chance to kill. And so it's at the end of one of the movies. I think it's I think it is the cult Chucky. Like in the movie, like you see this random guy like at home, and you know, he gets his package left at his door, and he brings the package and he like, you know, he puts it on the table, and you know, he walks away or whatever, he goes to sit back down whatever. Because he was just chilling, watching TV. And Chucky emerges from the box because he has found this child from the first movie. He's ready to kill him. And Chucky's like, you know, as because you know, he Chucky's facing away from him, like he's inside the house and like he's you know ready to murder. And then you turn, he turns around, and the camera pants to the dude with a shotgun, staring right at Chucky. Chucky's like, wait, he just blasts the shit out of and I was like, damn, damn. This nigga was this nigga had his head on the swoop of his whole life, ready for you to try some shit like this. And I was like, it was the miscalculation. You thought you was gonna catch this man slipping. Nah, son, you traumatized him early. He was ready, he knew he didn't kill your ass. And it was just the it was and it was the like it was the moment where he tried to bargain, like, hey, friend, boom. This is how most horror movies, like if Halloween exactly if Halloween, if people in Halloween like treated Michael Myers the way this dude treated Chucky in this moment, a lot of horror movies would have been over. Like nobody, no, no one has time for this. I'm gonna just in the face. This has been a great episode. Oh so um to wrap up everything, I think we we really got into like the nitty-gritty of like what has what has what makes really great horror movie villains? And it's not always just them, but it's just you know what they represent as characters and like what's happening in the world around them and you know how they always bring us back to ourselves, which I think is the really cool part. Um, so to to help us all sign off, uh, we are going to tell everyone where we can be found, starting with myself. Uh, you can find me at the black McCoy on Instagram and the Black McCoy cosplay on Facebook. And if you want a game, you can find me at Fimpress G290 on uh PSN. Uh and you know, you can find me at B8G on Nintendo Switch if you want to play anything there. I haven't played Pokemon Unite in a minute, but you know, it's fine. Um, it's not that hard to do. And uh so Jasmine, where can they find you?
SPEAKER_04Oh my goodness. I have hardly any social media presence, so you know I'm a bit of a goose. Um I'm on Facebook at Jazzy Perl. So we can be friends.
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