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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Blur Spectrum Podcast. I am going to be hosting for you all again this week. I am the Black McCoy, and we have our wonderful, wonderful set of panelists joining us today. First, we have the woman who I thought could not go any further than Sindel ever could with her hair, Miss Skittles.
SPEAKER_07Hello.
SPEAKER_02How are you doing today, baby?
SPEAKER_07I'm good. How are you?
SPEAKER_02Fantastic, fantastic. Next, we have the gentleman who I saw beat uh the creator of Mortal Kombat at his own game and then went to his house and stole all of his goods because just because he could. Um we're gonna go and say hey to Kaze. How you doing, sir? I'm back. Oh, that was very that was that was a frightening half. Coming off a spooky season. Shao Kahn could never. Now, next we have one half of one of our favorite duo. We have Miss Harlene Quinzel herself.
SPEAKER_09Uh hey, how you doing?
SPEAKER_02I'm doing fine. I wish I had some pudding. Actually, I haven't had pudding in a very long time. And next we have the mistress of disguise herself. She once snuck into a Wendy's as Wendy and got three free meals. Um, Sino Ney Cosplay.
SPEAKER_08Hello, that crazy ass intro.
SPEAKER_02All right. So now that everyone has been thoroughly introduced, sorry, I saw something really wild out my window just now. Uh, we will be talking about the Fear Street trilogy today. If you have not seen or heard of Fear Street, then this episode is not for you. Or if you want to know more about it, you can actually go. Well, this will be a very spoiler-ridden. So if you're interested and don't care about spoilers, then congratulations for sticking around. So, Fear Street is a horror trilogy that you can find on the Netflix, on um, and um on any other streaming platforms on the internet, by which you use very questionable means to watch your content. No judgment here. So, uh, starting off, we are going to address the first film, Fear Street 1994, which is a little you know insulting since I was born in 1990. Um, opinions. Let's start with Domo.
SPEAKER_00Oh snap, I was disagreeing that it was it was offensive since we were 90s babies. It was but it all clicked for me when I realized that Fear Street is by R.L. Stein. So it was like, oh shit.
SPEAKER_02I don't care.
SPEAKER_03Um it did have that very 90s feel throughout the whole film, even though they were switching decades in between between movies uh one and two.
SPEAKER_00Um, but it definitely brought back that goosebumps era, like you felt all of like you were watching goosebumps again. I got those vibes from it. Um I'm kind of glad they broke it up so that way you didn't have to sit continuously for three hours. Otherwise, it's like you know, watching that movie with all the walking. Um, but I overall.
SPEAKER_02Wait, what movie with all the walking?
SPEAKER_01Lower the rank. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It was like, don't they walk in every movie? I don't know.
SPEAKER_03You know, some of them are walking a little bit more than us, you know.
SPEAKER_00Um overall, I thought the movie was good though. Um, I would recommend it for people who like spooky stuff in like that era where we grew up in the 90s goosebumps feel. Um yeah, I thought all the child, the actors that was in it, they did a really good job. Um, and they did do a play on the cop, which I'm pretty sure we'll talk about later, so I'm not gonna spoil that right now. But yeah, that's funny.
SPEAKER_02All right, moving on to Miss Skittles. What were your first impressions of the Fear Street, the first Fear Street movie? First Fear Street movie.
SPEAKER_06So, um, so in generally speaking, like I don't I don't know who if anybody's ever read uh well I'm sure people have read R.L. Stein books like back in the day. So um I just I just don't recall them being so um gory and in your face. Like like when I say when I say I I I watch this on some, you know, let me go ahead and throw this on and see, you know, what what the Fear Street movie's talking about or whatever. I was I wholeheartedly expected some some Sabrina the teenage witch type shit.
SPEAKER_02You know, kind of can't be.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, exactly. Can't be that's exactly what I expected. But when I say uh this this first movie, uh within just that that first scene uh uh I was that first killing scene, I was just like, oh oh this is some real shit. Okay, okay. And and and I literally sat up in my chair, like, let me pay attention because I I fucked with it. So um yes, shit got real real quick. Like on a number of levels, but um, yes, I definitely like appreciated the whole 90s feel. It was definitely a whole 90s vibe in that that I mean it kind of had it, it kind of reminded me of like like the first Halloween movies, like it was like in that range, and I was like, okay, okay, I see, I see where you're going, but this is real shit. So um so yeah, I I enjoyed um the first movie, especially um it being part of a trilogy. Um I like the way they broke it up in you know, the segments that they did. And then this first movie, we're we're in the present day trying to get uh you know, trying to get actually no, it's not present.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's their present day.
SPEAKER_02It's their present because it was a nine day.
SPEAKER_06So yes, so it was their present um day, and we're we're thrown into you know this curse thing going on, and yeah, so we're in the beginning and this is what was happening, and then you know, of course, we get into the second two movies, and that's when you know we we see some real shit, some some shit going down.
SPEAKER_02Yes, real shit. So uh Kaze, first impressions. What are your first impressions of Fear Street Part 1, 1994?
SPEAKER_01Um, well, uh like everyone already uh touched on. I I love the uh I love the level of camp that was there. Um, especially immediately. Uh if if I could uh borrow a word my old art teacher used to overuse was uh is the juxta juxtaposition.
SPEAKER_02It's a great word. It's a fun word.
SPEAKER_01Uh but yeah, just the the level of camp with uh just the the almost like surprising uh kind of uh kind of like Miss Skittles uh said the surprising level of uh um uh horse, not the word, uh I guess the the violence of the deaths. It was like, oh, oh killing, killing.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Everybody sat down and was like, oh, this was gonna be cute, I guess.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, oh right, oh right, it's it started, it started off dizzy and like and then and then went cinemax, and then it kind of curved its way back on over. And I'm like, okay, I can I I can fuck with this. I can fuck with this.
SPEAKER_09Right.
SPEAKER_01Um, but no, no, it was uh they they definitely struck a nice uh nice balance, uh uh definitely good uh good setup for it. And also it didn't even necessarily at first even feel like a setup movie because a lot of time we have a trilogy like this, so you can tell like they're just kind of taking things really slowly and like uh setting the groundwork. But no, this this felt like uh like an entire experience that also built up things for the everything that we had to come. So no, I I really enjoyed this uh this first uh installment.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, honestly, after the first after the part one was over, I would have been okay with that just being the only movie. I would have been buried with that. Um Sion A, first impressions of Fear Street part one.
SPEAKER_08I thought it was gonna be a typical, you know, um coming of age uh type of teenager in high school, you know, all the things that we watched in the 90s, like she's all that, you know, you know, um, what was it like uh how to this the the something about like um something about you did last summer? Yeah, noji did last summer. But I didn't think I thought it was gonna be more so of like all the things that we thought high school was gonna be that we wished, like prom being all pretty and shit, and you know, or you see that that bully, you know, the stereotypical 90s, early 2000s, what high school the high school trope movies that we all guilty pleasure loved. Yeah, that's what I thought it was gonna be. I thought it was gonna pay a homage to that. I didn't know it was gonna pay uh a homage to people getting killed the fuck up like bloody boots, bitch. The death scenes, and I think also um I would say, especially with like when it comes to children or teens, we're very light on how they die, you know, watching it in the past, the deaf scenes, like, oh hey, you know, you might see the camera pan away, disappear, see blood flatter on the wall, you know. Um, yeah. So I was like, yeah, you know, so I'm thinking, okay, the deaf scene's about to come, they're gonna pan away the camera. And I'm like, I'm like, damn, that blade getting real close to the to the head. The fuck, but that's the meat grinder.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, I mean, we we still in the first one though.
SPEAKER_08A couple stabs here and there, but the it probably was the most gruesome death scenes in a show. I've seen I've probably top five. I've never seen death scenes that gruesome.
SPEAKER_02The children.
SPEAKER_08It literally was the meme about fuck them kids when they threw the kids in there. It was so graphic, but I loved it because nobody was safe. Um, it reminded me of uh I think The Walking Dead. When you're like, they're not gonna kill that kid. Oh, they kill that kid.
SPEAKER_02We're gonna kill every single motherfucking kid that we can lore it, and we haven't even gotten to the second movie yet. That was the one, anyway. So, for those of you uh who don't know, uh just uh the film follows a group of teenagers in this place called Shady Side, and they're terrorized by this ancient evil that's responsible for a series of brutal murders that have plagued the town for literal centuries. Um, so my first impression of this film was similar to everyone else, is like, I'm like, okay, well, you know, you ever be on Netflix and you just kind of scrolling, like, oh okay, this looks like you know, looks cute, you know, something to put on the background while I'm doing other stuff. And you sit down, like, oh shit.
SPEAKER_07That's that's exactly what I was doing. Literally, it's supposed to be some background, and it was like, oh shit, this is good.
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, that's exactly what happened to me. I was like, oh, oh, okay. And then when um our other one of our other panelists Joe Tsg, he recommended it. And you know, Joe Joe's definitely uh big on horror, and I did not expect well, and if he endorsed it, then I was like, oh, okay, this must be something that's gonna be like good, good. And um, it was way better than it exceeded my relatively low expectations, but they were a bit higher because Joe recommended it. But also, it's like it's so it's it's soared above them. Like, and then as the movies went on, it got even better. So, my next question for you all is throughout the first movie, uh, what was the part that really shocked you the most? Like that really like made you think like, oh shit, this is like serious. Because usually when we see a lot of horror movies, especially like new age horror films with you know a lot of younger uh teenage, you know, teenagers and kids and stuff like that, they have a tendency to be very Scooby-Doo-esque, um, especially, you know, not really not really having like the strongest sense of danger. I mean, you know, I think we have like things like Unfriended, but this one was it was like uh it was a modern retelling of a different time, which is odd to say because I lived through that time. Um and it kind of hurts my soul. Um, but who I felt like my heart turned to dust from aging in that moment. Um, but no, so it's kind of like a modern retelling of you know uh how a horror movie would go in 1994, um, throughout a high school age, and we get this kind of we get this very interesting coming of age story that's laid on top of it. But the coming of age story is laid on a few things that we're gonna get into later on in this episode. So um to reiterate again, what the question is what was that moment in this uh series for you that made you in the in the first movie that made you take this more seriously? And we'll start with Kaze.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, I'd have to say that the uh movie definitely hit the ground uh running uh soon as soon as they uh introduced uh the little the little weird uh friend friend of the girl, and he uh he you know he looked like uh manager at Spencer's, uh just uh you know, little you know, little off, not quite homicidal.
SPEAKER_02But you know, it's a little something wrong with everybody.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, he mean well. Um, and then uh and then you know, and then you find like see the face of the person like off of these people, and it's like, oh, and then uh, and then you know, and even and even just the fact the the the the way they uh the way they was focusing on his on his face after he got shot shot in the head. It was kind of like I was like, oh, we're coming back to this. Like y'all, like what this what this nigga looks like is is is going to be like relevant. So uh so and that so that instantly uh got me wondering, uh, because my my first question when I'm watching a horror movie is is this uh is this a serial killer or is this like uh a magical slasher? Because I need to I need to res I need to set up my expectations for different things depending on if if this is like if this is like magical and fantasy and and I can just set up in a horror and not expect a whole bunch of answers, or is this like a real crazy crafty nigga and I and I and I'm gonna need to figure out how this person's doing these these crazy things. So uh, but no, I was uh definitely that that first def uh set the tone for me.
SPEAKER_02Okay, awesome. Miss Skittles, what was that first moment for you in this in the um in the first movie that really made you take it seriously?
SPEAKER_06Um yeah, I'm I'm with Kaze. Like that first that first kill in the in the in the mall, like where I wasn't, like I said, initially I I was paying attention and then you know um the you know, oh girl, you know, was running around and I was like, okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_02Here we go. We got this white bitch running around. She knocked it. Oh god.
SPEAKER_06Oh god. And then um, you know, when when old boy like like went in and stabbed her, I was like, okay, I was like, God damn, like they okay, the stabbing is real, it's real stabbing.
SPEAKER_07We stabbed this bitch, but yeah, but that gunshot to the head, dog, right? I said, oh shit, there's a hole. I can see through the hole I see through, I see through the hole. There's shit everywhere.
SPEAKER_06I said, wait a minute. Look, and and what was what's so crazy about this is I re I had to I rewound that part just so I could rewatch it because I was like in disbelief? What yes, because I didn't I didn't understand. I was like, wait, did I miss something? I was like, hold on, did I miss something? Because I felt like it had it, it was like I was watching it, and then like the stabbing was happening, and I was like, okay, and then like I like I blinked, and then there was like a hole in this nigga's head, and I was like, wait, I gotta go back.
SPEAKER_02I gotta go back. I missed the pivotal plot development.
SPEAKER_07I said, oh shit, oh shit.
SPEAKER_06So literally I rewind it and and and and then I had to pause it because after that, that's when I made my Facebook post like, oh, this some real shit. Y'all didn't tell me that this was some real shit. So yes, that I mean that was so different. Me automatically, I was like, oh, okay. And after that, I was paying, I was very much paying attention to the whole movie. I stopped everything I was doing and sat back, got some popcorn in some motion. Okay, this is about to be uh right, ready.
SPEAKER_02So let me let me get my stuff together, right?
SPEAKER_07I was like, let me get comfortable actually.
SPEAKER_02Like Sayone, what about you, honey? What was that? What was that moment that made you take the movie seriously?
SPEAKER_08Um, so of course it was the gunshot in the head, but I think you know, I love anything that has to do with like mysticism. So when they kept going back uh to I guess like quote unquote, I didn't know if it was Salem Witch Trials, so to speak. So um that they had flashbacks um to uh fair, Sarah Fair, I believe, the one that was supposed to be in charge of all the doom and gloom in Shady Side. So that was what I was kind of intrigued because I wanted to see how they were going to tie in, you know, I thought it was going to be like a slasher film, so to speak. And now they're going to like mysticism. So I was very curious about that. Um, but I did know that the movie had multiple parts. So I was actually, for me, I was very sold to continue with the trilogy at the very end. Um, and that was when all the people that, you know, the friends, I guess they weren't even friends, the cheerleader girl was a bitch, but you know, was having, you know, had like a I'm sorry, but I love when a cheerleader like gets her shit. Right. You know, the cheerleader who was who was a bitch, but then was having redeeming qualities, I guess, if you want to call them. You know, and but when everybody started dying, you know, and that was the thing. It was you're having these this this kind of like a uh character development. And usually at the end, you know, we were programmed to think of happy endings, right? Happy endings, so to speak. And I'm seeing everybody getting fucking killed, like brutally. And I always go back to that damn meat slice machine, and I'm thinking, okay, you have three movies, that means that these three people are gonna be in the movies, kind of like Stranger Things. Fuck no, everybody died. And I was like, oh my god, this is this is serious. I like this, everybody did like a grown mentality. Like I love it, and so for me, that was like, oh, I need to continue. Because, like, you know, Miss Kittle said, it was something just kind of on the side to watch, and you know, it was around spooky season, and um, but I kept passing passing it on Netflix. I'm like, I ain't gonna watch this shit. This looked like a regular screen slash or film bullshit.
SPEAKER_02It looked basic, it looked and it felt basic.
SPEAKER_08It looked basic as shit. Nobody was really even like advertising, it looked right popped up there because you know, Netflix would just populate, like, oh, this is what we got going on.
SPEAKER_02Like, uh, whatever, nigga.
SPEAKER_08There was no advertisement, like the the poster was basic as fuck, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, I can watch this shit, nobody's even talking about it. Was it until people start watching, like, hey yo, hey, yo, y'all watch that future does Netflix has got a lot of shit going on.
SPEAKER_01I don't think they have the space to tell you how all the new shit, like unless unless the new shit they drop is up your alley and it's showing up in your recommended for you. You don't even know what the hell is coming out unless you check the website.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, Netflix is getting better, I would say, because they're starting to be more cultured in the in the fact that we uh for a time, I would say for like four months in the beginning of this year, four or five months, Netflix was very dry. We kept seeing the same shit over and over again. And then they started to be like, oh, let's go into like foreign, for foreign films. And that's how you get Squid Game. You know, like they started to be smart. There's so many good gems that I was noticing outside of the US. And I'm like, oh my God, this is great. So then I feel like they started to kind of go outside the US, but then they started to add new Netflix content to kind of keep the viewers in the US engaged too. So with Fear Street, a couple Other new shows that are coming out. So it was good. Like I would say this fall lineup has been a very good time for Netflix for sure in the for US new content. But Fear Street was one of them. It took me by a pleasant surprise. I really don't like slasher films at all because it's just stupid to me. But this one, I like the mysticism and the slasher and that all the kids are gonna get killed. I mean, you know, it it doesn't that's not a horrible, but I mean, you know I'm safe. It makes it more real. I think that's what it is. Like in it'll a true horror fashion. No one is safe. No one's safe. Not your mommy, not your daddy, not your grandma, not your dog, not your goldfish. Everybody gonna get murked.
SPEAKER_07And so I love goldfish though.
SPEAKER_01Ain't nobody safe. No, no, no, Nemo, Nemo ain't getting found.
SPEAKER_08So um, I definitely would say uh I love their death scenes. It it really was very guttural, it felt real. It I I a lot of times I was holding my neck in my head, like bitch, no, you know. Like, damn that hurt. No, so but um I I loved it. I I feel like the storytelling was great, the acting was great, but really more so it was the the death scenes at the very end that made me want to watch more. Um, so yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, I would absolutely say, like, so honestly, that first like death scene for me was interesting. Like, I I really, really enjoyed it. And you know, like Miss Kittle said after he got popped in the head, I was surprised. I'm like, oh, this nigga died pretty early. Where is this going? Right. And then um, it wasn't until they were going through, I think it was the opening credits after that, where they were like, Oh, like shady, shady side is like the murder capital of the world, and they kept bringing up all these different murders. I'm like, oh, so this shit's been happening for a while. And then the thing that really caught my interest was that they they it shady side was just like the other side, like really like across the tracks. So this other place called Sunnyvale that was thriving, that was happy, that was joyous. I'm like, oh, okay. So there's something more here. I think that's that's the moment for me where the movie or I started to take the movie really seriously. Because like Kaze, like I had that, oh, you know, it's about to be a is this gonna be a slasher? Is it gonna be something, you know, what am I dealing with here? Like as far as a typical movie. Um, and uh I started taking it seriously when I noticed that they were like, oh, this is a pattern that's been going on for a really long time. And like, okay, so there's a history here, there's something more important here for me to latch on to, outside of you know, the very interesting and very fun, fun being the um loosely used word a way to watch all of these people die. Because I think for me, when I when I go when I'm approaching a horror movie, like after I watched this one documentary, and I always forget the name of it, um, about zombies and you know what they represent and how zombie films have always been, you know, made or discovered or whatever, I always look at um horror films very intently, intensely, as for like what they're trying to talk about or what they're trying to say. And this one uh showed me very early on, like there's a larger narrative that we're pushing here. And it was cool because we got to see the high school as like the kind of nexus for all of those things happening, and we got to see like the students as being, you know, they're they're like the the they're the driving forces that we're using to see all of these different things as well. So I thought that was really cool. But yeah, no, I I uh interestingly enough, that opening scene and a lot of the deaths were not what made me take the movie seriously. It was the narrative that I found that was that they were trying to build like right up under there. Yeah, that was uh that was that moment for me. Because I love you know, y'all know I love a good story, I love a good character driven story, I love a story that got some good points they're trying to make. Absolutely. Uh Domo, what about you? What was that moment that made you take the movie more seriously?
SPEAKER_03Um uh I think the moment that made me take it more seriously is when they were at the Pep Rally and it was sunny side versus shady side, and I'm like, well, why is this hate there? Uh why why is it sunny side and then shady side? Like that sounds jack, right? Like shady side.
SPEAKER_02Why was there shady side? Why was there sunny side?
SPEAKER_09Right, right. It just feels racially divided to me.
SPEAKER_04I was like, oh, I need to know more about that. And then the other part was when the killer in the beginning came back to life. And I was like, wait a minute, we all saw that headshot. So somebody passed a spell, did he have some type of emblem on him to make him walk again and start killing people?
SPEAKER_03So I I think those two moments for me what would made me be like, oh, let me keep watching this, see see what's going on.
SPEAKER_04And then when they did the flashes in between on the first movie, I did think they were going into the Salem Witch Trials as well. So I was kind of curious to see if they were gonna lead into that story a little bit more.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, absolutely. So that's a great segue. So so the Fear Street trilogy is grounded in this mythos of this character named Sarah Fear Fear, Fear, Fear Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, because I want to say fear because I'm I'm um I'm obnoxious and I read too many books. But it's just Sarah Fear. Um, and it's spelled F-I-E-R. Yeah, F-I-E-R, because they didn't want to be too on the nose with it. They kept it in the title. Uh, but yeah, no, so it follows this uh this uh, I guess you know, columnist, you know, uh Sarah Fear, and she was uh they anyway, sorry now. So follow Serafir. Serafir is supposed to be this like witch that has put this curse on uh shady side, and that is the reason why they have this history of murders, and it's been named murder capital of the world, and nobody wants to live there, and why they have all these socioeconomic problems compared to Sunnyvale. Now, um, one of the things that we learned within the first movie is that you know, this is like uh this is not the first time um um a murder has happened, but it is the first time that someone has gone through all the shit that they went through in the first movie and survived. And it helps a segue into the second movie. But um, my next question for our panelists is when we found out, you know, what was happening with um with these with these murders, right? With this witch possessing the spirit of these people and causing them to murder people, because it seemed like because the thing was the thing that stood out the most as far as they were concerned, like was we went through the movie, it was like none of these people like had a reason to do what they did. They just went, you know, crazy, so to speak, and just started murdering people, and no one knew why, and they had no connection to anyone at all as to why they did the things they did. And so when we found out, you know, that the witch was possessing uh these people and causing them to kill, and at any point in time there were no survivors at all, how did you all feel about finding out um there was actually someone who did survive? Let's start with Miss Kittle.
SPEAKER_06Um I was gonna say it it really just added an extra an extra lay layer to segue into um 1978. So we get we get we I mean basically that that was it. That that was the point. Okay, so we we watched these uh we watched Dina and her friends, you know, go on this crazy ass journey uh and and find out that you know there's possibly a way to save her her little girlfriend.
SPEAKER_02And who wasn't shit, by the way. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_07She wasn't shit. She really wasn't shit.
SPEAKER_02Wasn't shit. Okay, sorry. Sorry, Miss Girl. So I just kind of came out on the top.
SPEAKER_06We find out that um uh what is her name? Berman? Berman C. Berman um is is also uh a survivor of um Sarah Fear and and all the shit that she went through during um during in 1978. So um so that's when we segue into uh Camp Nightwing. Um and we and then we get to follow the story of the this this other person who actually survived. Um and and that's the extra layer that you're like, oh wait, like, you know, like it's like okay, we you know, we follow Indina, who her friends, whatever, and now we're we're we're going back in time to see how this one individual who's literally been off the bat for for her whole entire life, um, and and then we get to tell and then we get to to relive her story. Um and that that I I fucked with that because it was like, okay, here's a whole like we're peeling this onion bag to get to Sarah. Um and but before that, there was a whole nother incident where somebody else survived. How the fuck did she she survive? And and is and is old girl really worth saving?
SPEAKER_02Like that was my real question. Like, this left you for a whole white man. For a whole white man, absolutely not in high school. Y'all wasn't gonna see each other again. Y'all would have been all right. It was the 90s. We know we're we're ahead in time, so we know things are gonna get better. You'll be fine, girl. You ain't gotta latch off to this white, you ain't gotta latch off to this white teenager who don't know who she is. Oh my god. Okay, Kaze, what your thoughts, my friend.
SPEAKER_01Um uh uh no, definitely. Uh kind of like Miss U Skittle said, I definitely appreciated them um uh having this level of uh uh setup, I guess. Uh it was definitely it was definitely uh given some uh it follows. Uh you know, just the just the the the the the level of the the sheer the sheer amount of like uh like oh these niggas really really ain't gonna stop. Like, you know, and I and I feel like they even um uh they even like hit some of those tropes where like you yelling at the screen, like why don't you do this? And like, you know, and they and they do the things and then them niggas just come back and I'm like, oh, oh y'all.
SPEAKER_02You're like, oh my bad. I don't do something.
SPEAKER_01And uh, you know, and and just and just like you said, like like when when when they found out that they was only chasing her, I've been like, yo, well, you need to find a car. Right. And as as well as as as as as as far as like me and minds, like you know, like she she she would have been abandoned, like uh Biden uh abandoned uh getting rid of student debt, uh like like never to be seen or smoking up okay baby.
SPEAKER_02I was like, oh y'all want one bitch? Oh, y'all can have her, right?
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, candle relations to me.
SPEAKER_02I'm sure there's other white women in this town, girl.
SPEAKER_06I can't and and her and her little her other friend was she was with the shit. She was like, I mean, she gotta go. Like right, right.
SPEAKER_01Right, like Amy, Amy, like let her crawl out a window or something, pushed her, like about to push out in the hallway. Like, like I was like, damn, can y'all can you give her a fight chance?
SPEAKER_02Like, she was so did y'all y'all saw did y'all see the anime high school of the dead? You remember in the beginning when they had a little zombie outbreak and you saw the two girls and they were they were friends and they were running together, like, we're gonna survive together. We're gonna forever. Old girl got grabbed, she's like, bitch, let me go. Yes, but we're oh how quick. Right.
SPEAKER_01I loved it.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's exactly what that reminded me of. Just like, mm-hmm, she can go. She left she broke out with me anyway for a white man. She can go. Uh right.
SPEAKER_01Right. I thought we were together forever. Turned out it was just for a season.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01And winter is coming. Oh shit.
SPEAKER_04You should not just say custom season is.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it's cold as fun, cold as ice, though.
SPEAKER_02Oh my goodness. Sion A, ma'am, your thoughts.
SPEAKER_08Um, I was wondering why her, like what made her so special to survive. And that was kind of I would again, like Miss Skittle said, it was kind of like a introduction to the I think 1970, I forgot what the year it was, 78. Um, so it was it was very interesting. It was like that climax, you know, the stereotypical climax that, you know, the 90s always duh, you know, pays homage to, which I like because it gave us a nostalgia, so to speak, you know, like, oh, well, I was the one that survived. I'm like, bitch, how? Bitch, how? Everybody else was getting killed. Like, how did you survive? So I was just curious on, you know, what was done? Is it mystical? You know, like did she find out a hack? Because again, we just saw everybody get murdered, uh, you know, in the in the mall. So I'm I'm really, it really kind of was like picking at my brain. And then, you know, we have this scalem witch trials type of, you know, theme going on. So I was really trying to figure out what was it? Like, what was it? Did she have something on her? Um, did she fake her death? Like so, it was really just more of curiosity. And um, you know, the the creators are very smart with keeping you engaged because three fucking movies, it's very easy to lose interest after the first one. So uh I I thought it was very smart for them to kind of keep you engaged to want to watch the second one. And then you're already invested. You saw the second one, which had very good energy as well. It brought you into the the 70s, you know, and there's something creepy about camp. I'm sorry. Like I just I just don't fuck with camp in the woods and cabins. I always think weird shit's gonna happen. And then weird shit happened. Uh so I I always love how they tied in. I was curious though, like I don't usually like movies or shows that work backwards, um, but I love it when it ties in all together, like that Star Wars shit that they do when things are out of order. I don't just don't fuck with it. So um I did like how everything is tied in and they give you the present and then they kind of work, uh, work backwards. So you can kind of tie in everything and then they kind of bring it all together. So uh it was just intriguing. I really was picking my brain at like how did she survive? And I just kind of wanted to see um if there was a way to prevent any more future deaths or if there was even a way to kill this bitch, you know.
SPEAKER_02This this was dying left and right since forever.
SPEAKER_08You know what I'm saying? Like, and we still at that time have not seen the witch. So was it was it a symbolism of you gotta kill the witch who we don't even know what she looks like? How do you kill somebody that's dead because everybody that was coming back was dead? So it was very interesting. Um, and it got me it. I definitely was was intrigued and wanted to know more.
SPEAKER_02Okay, cool. So 1978, uh 1978 was one of the second film of the trilogy, and I think it was the one that played on some of the most classic like horror tropes out of all three of the films. Because you know, we get a bunch of kids at summer camp, we got teenagers fucking everywhere because they ain't supposed to be not doing their jobs, what not watching the kids, right? We have a bunch of like isolation, we have uh we have a convenience setup that is interest, interestingly enough, plays on you know the beef that we see happening in 1994 between Sunny Vale and Shady Side, and that becomes the that becomes the landscape for all the all of the like egregious murders that we see happening during 1978. So as far as you know how we've how we've understood most uh slasher films, the slasher genre, um, how we see the the killer come into um come into his own in 1978, how did we view the second movie? Because I know when I was looking at it, I was like, okay, it's really hard for a movie that set uh on a bunch of kids at camp in the in the late 70s to really do anything like really, really different, even though it's contributing to this whole story. Because like we're used to seeing Jason, we're used to seeing like Michael Myers, we're used to seeing, you know, we're used to seeing all of these classic horror films that do these things. So I was really curious as to what was going to be done different. So, did you all think that that second movie did anything different that made it stand out as like, oh, okay, this not just as a continuation of the first movie or like a prequel, so to speak, but like, did it do it do anything that was revolutionary or do anything that was just like really good that made it okay?
SPEAKER_08For me, yes.
SPEAKER_09Um, again, with the killing of the kids and in the 70s, like the murder of the children.
SPEAKER_06They was murdering children by the by the 30s of them, like whole barns full of kids.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was stopping it and I was like, is this a is this allowed? I I hadn't changed it.
SPEAKER_09You can't kill kids.
SPEAKER_01All right, I'm I'm getting I'm not I'm looking at it like my Netflix account about to be canceled. I mean, it's not mine, but you know, I could I care a lot for my friend's Netflix account.
SPEAKER_03And the the fuck them kids in the FBI most wanted list talking about. Oh, they like murdering kids.
SPEAKER_09Right, right.
SPEAKER_08Like oh man, nobody was safe. Like, I mean, you know nobody, no one was safe, and it's funny, you know how like in the 80s they try to make all these these high schoolers look grown and because they are grown, right? But that was like in the 80s of our like in real life, you know, like the Breakfast Club. Like nobody in the fucking 80s looked like they would, they wanted to look like that, but everybody looked, you know, had braces and you know, backpacks heavy and shit, you know. Now that's how a lot of people in high school, you know, ninth grade looked. And in uh the movie, the second movie, these look like children, these look like like kids, you know, the poor little kid in the shed with the glasses, little chubby kiddle thing. Oh, yeah, baby.
SPEAKER_09I was like, don't kill it. I think y'all kill him.
SPEAKER_02What made it worse was that they was being shitty to him the whole time, the whole time, and I wanted him to survive so bad.
SPEAKER_08No, again, no one went safe. I loved it.
SPEAKER_02I mean, of throne the fuck out that child.
SPEAKER_08Oh man, my twisted mind. I love I love it though. I love it because it it was real, it was real. I'm sick and tired of oh, we're only gonna get the bad guy. No, bitch, everybody gonna get killed, and it sucked. But for me, that was revolutionary because for us, and we're still used to seeing gore and violence and horror of different, of different, you know, I would say timelines, so to speak. You know, we're used to seeing Howraiser, we're used to seeing Jason, we're used to seeing Halloween. And for us, for for that to be like hardcore for us, that's telling me it's not something that we're used to seeing. We're just not used to seeing children getting killed like that. And not just killed, oh, you know, panned to the side, which even still is kind of like, oh wow, they just killed a kid. No, we're fucking seeing it. We're seeing the hatchet, we're seeing the blood splatter, and that is just very different. I don't know if it's a good difference, but it's it's definitely putting it in, you know, cinematically that this is shit that happens when you do have mass murderers out here, they don't fucking care if you're a child. If a mass murderer is really sick in the mind, they're gonna see everyone as fair game. So it made it more real. And I think that's what it was. A lot of movies, a lot of shows that we watch, they like to kind of candy coat some sick shit that does happen in real life, like the Columbine shooting. And that's why so many people loved um uh American horror story, um, you know, with the house, because the Columbine shooting was just so real to us. That's what we lived through. And so to see that in a in a show, it was it it hit hard. And that, and again, with the second movie, it hit hard because we're not used to seeing children getting murdered like that. And so it was interesting, it's sick, um, it, but it's in. interesting because that that is putting another level of horror that we're not used that we're not accustomed to. So I loved it. I loved it in the fact that it was so real and real life is just not easy. Real life sucks when it comes to murder and and things like that and homicide. So it just I just it just had a certain level to me that I thought I was already used to seeing but it obviously it's not something that is accustomed that we're accustomed to seeing. So I enjoyed it for me.
SPEAKER_03Do you all think that this movie seeing that is RL Stein and he came out with goosebumps in our era do you think this movie would have would have been given just as much light now that it back in the day?
SPEAKER_08No they would never allow this to ever show back in the day. I think RL Stein we thought RL Stein was demonic back then like our parents didn't even want us to even touch goosebumps or like like you know and we loved it because Goosebumps was like the kid's guilty pleasure. We'd be in the back like scholastic news and like you know we sneak the goosebumps underneath like Dr. Sisbum can you buy these for us you know um so RL Stein knows that Fear Street and Goosebumps that's our generation that's 90s generation. So they know that the 90s kids are now in their 30s and that's why he made you know the movie was just so fucking graphic because he knows we're adults now. This is people would like kids now they they probably know goosebumps and Arlstein because we're teaching our children that but they wouldn't know that off a jump not really um so it's it's more for us it's more for for us I would say it's it's bringing that nostalgia back to the 90s kids so that we can be like oh this is the shit that we we could fuck with now that we we probably have nightmares if we read this shit. Yeah so it's it's a different time now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I think that too that like censorship has come a bit further and so and horror has been having this renaissance in the past like I've I don't know how long it's been going on but horror has been having this real renaissance where people take it seriously and putting more like horrific things in there to be to redundant. But like putting really horrific shit in there is what helps people make take it more seriously because it's it's uh because you know for a long time it's like oh we see you know we see body horror or we see you know slasher films but like like Sione and Skittles were saying we saw a lot of that stuff off screen. Like we just saw some splatters you know we saw like a we saw a hand go up and then we saw it wasn't until maybe like the late the mid to late 80s where we saw like you know actual stuff that was happening to people I think um I think Freddie the Freddie Kruger movies were some of the early like really good practical effects for like body horror and stuff like that. I mean we saw stuff like a thing but like when it came to like slasher movies like teenagers dying you know um and children well teenagers children dying then you know we that it because of how far practical effects have come and how far our desensitization to violence has come it is just it's like it's free reign now. And you know that's I'm not saying like a bad thing but that's just you know the the condition of how we view certain things has really come really far like Sonia was saying so I think that's a really a really important contributor to why we are seeing stuff in the way that we are now yeah I agree I love it though like I love it you know I love it.
SPEAKER_08I think um a lot of horror fans this is like our dream to really see that uncut why do you think uncut is so interesting to us anytime we see a movie like oh there's an uncut version oh shit let me grab my husband you know we we don't want censorship in a weird way I don't want it I want to see the uncut the raw version of things I want to see the the director's full imagination blossom I want to I want to be immersed into that imagination um and so when I'm able to see how they wanted us to see it that's why I love rated R movies um I don't like when a lot of movies a lot of horror movies are dumbed down to PG 13 because what it's doing it's taking away the imagination this is not how the director or maybe the author wanted it to be depicted on screen. And so I want to see rated R let me see everything that they wanted us to see. And when you have things that are PG 13 you're trying to have it so that the masses can see but that's not necessarily a good thing. Mind you our generation was watching shit we wasn't supposed to watch we're having people younger way younger now watching a whole bunch of shit that we wouldn't even dream of watching now. You might as well make the shit rated R. It's on Netflix everybody watching Netflix you know elementary schoolers middle schoolers high schoolers and it's very hard to censor things now. If you try to censor things at home most likely their friends are going to show them everything on the internet is eternal. So unless you completely take away all social media everything away from your child it still doesn't matter in the real world they're gonna fucking see it somewhere. So you might as well just be known let it let it let let let it fly go ahead and just put that how it's supposed to be just go ahead and put it out there because censorship all it's doing is making things very campy. That's why it's so hard to find good horror movies out out now because everything is PG 13. There's not much you can do with PG 13 in that type of genre. At least that's that's how I feel because when I see things that are rated R, I'm like, oh this is how it's supposed to be you know and you're not gonna have a horror is not even meant for children anyway. So horror should already be for grown ups so to speak. So you might as well just make it fucking rated R and be done with it. But that's just that's kind of like my thought process on this particular genre and the rating system. And I think that's why we loved Fear Street so much because it's how it's supposed to be it's not supposed to be censored or sugarcoated. It's that is our genre for us the watchers who really like to watch that.
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SPEAKER_02So kind of steering the car from sound and segue to Fear Street back to Fear Street. So one of the things that was really good about this movie is that we got more world building behind the Saraphere kind of uh mythos, right? So uh we knew that well to some degree we knew that we were going to get like this entire other kind of horror slasher film that we got so much for the first one and we got to glean in we got to glean more into who the slasher was and how the slasher kind of came to be but more so I think the more important part beyond that is the when they found the stuff underground right um that was connected to this whole cave system under the camp and um does anyone remember specifically what they found under there or it was fucking organs it was a living breathing organ thing. I don't know why I thought you were gonna say orgy I'm so sorry but you just saw the OR the OR it was living breathing organs and shit yeah it looked it looked like a like a it looked like the heart of like a giant demon or something or like it may I when I first saw it it made me think like the camp dude was like almost alive or something and I was like is is the land trying to kill y'all like I was and also the flies uh the symbolism of a fly you know it's like that pestilence um that's one of my favorite words oh yeah it was pestilence it was that's why I love the plagues from Prince of Egypt yes oh man yeah it was it was disgusting like anytime you saw one fucking fly you like oh shit but like so the the the reason I thought that was like one of the most important parts is because like we get like this whole mythos that like you know the the land of the shady shady side or you know whatever it the the witch's hand has a grip on the land like the same way that the Akati clouds has a grip on like black people like that's the grip that's the grip that Sarah had on shady side it's fucking facts though and like it would like it's and it wasn't like just a metaphor because you know the you know of course you know when people are passing on the lore and stuff it no it was her literal hand and so we thought in the first movie that you know oh well she know they disturbed the grave or whatever and that's what cost all the shit and so they in order to after the slashers around and everything they go and find the literal hand like oh shit well you know if we do this then you know it would stop everything and we'll be able to you know save save lives right after so many have tragically and very art artistically honestly have been have been lost so after we see them grab the hand and find the hand and after we see them find like the cave and stuff where all the the witch's gunk and you know all the malignant symbiote stuff is you know hiding um how did we feel about the twist after they found the hand and they thought that it were gonna solve all of this bullshit I thought that would have been too simple.
SPEAKER_04Like I like I felt like there was more that needed to be done outside of you just putting her organs back.
SPEAKER_03Like I I just felt like it certain things you just know they're too simple.
SPEAKER_04Like that's it is it's just gonna solve all the problem you mean to tell me centuries and centuries nobody thought to do this or then when they attempted to do this like it it still didn't solve the problem.
SPEAKER_03So who's really controlling the witch there's always something behind there's always someone behind something.
SPEAKER_06It's almost like with Scooby Doo like there's always somebody behind the mask so it's just like now yeah um I I agree with uh Damo um I thought it would have been way too simple um especially after especially after finding out like all that we did in in 19 uh what is it 70 78 after finding out everything that we found out in 1978 um with you know with the with the whole breathing organ under the under the under the city and shit I can just imagine you sitting there watching like oh my god what the fuck is that I was like is it moving yeah like deserve the dermaphobe you just go everywhere like right so I I mean we find we find you know following Ziggy and her sister and everybody everybody at that fucking camp died and then and then they tie they tie in um they tie in the the ancestor of the police officer back in from 1994 so it's just like oh it like there was things that that were left un you know like question like okay oh so she just gonna return in and and and everything gonna be all good no there's still shit I need to know about who the fuck is Nick in the police like what what's going on with him and his fucking family uh like like was he controlling the death that happened at the camp because remember he said his father had died so did he do that because you would have thought he would have left Ziggy or what was her name Iggy right it was Ziggy her nickname was Ziggy I also thought that was a cute little twist because her sister's name was Cindy so they made us think that Cindy survived yes right yeah so I was like you would have thought Ziggy would have survived or not been touched because he had such an infatuation with her was probably why she was alive for so long because I'm like she's been in the same house for years if he wanted to he could have killed her by now you know white men don't no but that was that was it that was literally it like he was he was he was literally like in 1994 he was keeping tabs on shit because he already knew because his family was in control of that shit. So he already knew you know when when the slasher was gonna pop up and shit was popping off and he would tell her like hey stay your ass in the house but I feel like it was it was literally because you know he was in infatuated with her at that time and like the shit just continued but um but yeah so after we finding all of this shit out in in in 1978 I was like it's no way she just gonna return this fucking hand and everything will go back to normal or whatever. So so then I mean of course this is our segue into was it 1966 and 1666 1666 okay my bad my bad 1666 and um and I'm glad this that this is where this is where we've been wanting to go this is who we want to talk to we want we want to know what the fuck happened to Sarah fear because this bitch is the shit been crazy shit been crazy for motherfucking three three hundred three hundred some fucking years shit been crazy so we need to know what the fuck happened to Sarah and why she's so upset and I was here for it because I was like okay all right it's no it's no way she returning this hand we about to find out some real shit and and here we go boom and it goes right because like at the end of 1978 it was like okay let's return the hand and then they're like oh no way that's not where the hand is bitch.
SPEAKER_02Right that's not where the bodies are like oh let's take the hand to the correct place because we have the wrong place. They get it to the right place and it's like oh absolutely that's not gonna help either you know and then so then you know um our our protagonist Dina um her her biracial queer ass love her to death um except her enough because my girl who should have died anyway. She we get she gets like she basically has like this whole movie flashback whatever you think about it it's actually really funny because like oh I touched this hand I touched these remains and now I'm about to have a whole flashback into a vision of what happened in the past but it's gonna be a whole extra two hour movie. But so it's like time wise I'm like was all of this just coming into her mind when she was doing it or were we just like that's the most hilarious thing about me for flashbacks and visions is like how long is all of this actually taking are you sitting here for two hours learning all of this and all these people try to come and kill you but that's just that's just always a storyteller for me I I I understand it was probably like instant for her she was like oh shit I learned all this stuff but for us we're like okay watching this story for like a solid time ain't nobody come behind you and try to stay right I'm glad you survived after touching some remains in the woods for uh two hours but um I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad we're glad they did it that way I mean and and and I also think well I know uh well I don't know if it was purpose or not but I feel like it was purposely done that way because Sarah and Dina had so much alike they're so much like like common they both like to lit coochies because you kept clapping your hands together I was like did you need to separate the fingers first well I Sarah fear and Dina both like to rub the coochies that's what they enjoyed and they're of course there's a judgment here because of a very diverse podcast and um listen it's it's a fun experience was her Sarah chose her she was like you you and I we uh we the same and Sarah also made the similar mistake of going after this white girl who didn't it's true so what should that tell y'all I'm just saying it was so we're gonna end the episode now the overall part of the story is stay away from white women who don't need to be safe don't save her she does want to be safe but you have to do her is like just handle your business and leave just handle your business and leave but um no so yeah uh as the skittles so eloquently put it for us we get transported back to 1666 and we get to see the story of Sarah Fear and you know as we remember in the first movie as you know um Dina's little brother bless his heart love that little boy um he was talking about this this chain of murders that have been happening that they explained in the opening credits with the first film and we see that 1666 is when the first uh murder you know actually happens right and it occurs with this uh pastor priest you know um clergy individual who's uh yeah again surrounded by flies and um does this whole like murder again the children yes the children the children and um in this film we get to see Sarah fear bump coochies again and you know that kind of leads to some other problems and other issues because you know it was 1666 and you know there were black people around and they were at very because you know the the the original colonizers were very uh religious they did not believe that that was okay and so um yeah coochie gets you in trouble sometimes it got it got well sometimes a package did apparently in 1666 it got people in trouble a lot of times every which way even in her back in Notre Dame Judge Claude Frollo what got him in trouble the church does the so the long the the the short version the church did not like coochie um since everybody was an extension of the church they were like really upset about this and uh she was uh and because people were trying to break her up with her her problematic white bae um you know it became a very focal very strong focal point the story and they said you know what we're gonna brand this girl a witch and um she had her home important part there because the reason why I started was because that dude got mad that his dick got turned down yeah that that got turned down for coochie that's really right right right fragile white man once again and played and played the friend played the friend not him the the other white dude I know you're talking about the other white guy yeah yeah other white guy and you know the white the white man that was supposed to be on her side was setting her up the whole time but wasn't he a good though he wasn't good he was Nick's ancestor Nick's ancestor yes yes how you have a whole ancestry line of ain't shit Nick that's you be born white in America that's how you do it that's generally how it works that things are passed down you know well wealth values and ain't shit at all travels and they pass they pass those ways of being ain't shit down to every single every single one I think that's why um the wasn't it that they wanted a male a male good to pass down that wasn't like every single male good and um and yeah and if you go back to I think the first movie he was saying like I you know it was either the first or second movie I think it was the second movie because it was when good was a teenager and he's like I don't want to do what my family wants me to do.
SPEAKER_08And that was kind of like oh you know this that's kind of setting the tone as what else is it besides being a cop because it kind of sounded a little nefarious like I don't want to I don't want to do it.
SPEAKER_09I don't want to be in my family business.
SPEAKER_08You know what I'm saying. Oh my favorite movie moments ever it's interesting I think he could have been the one to break the link but the eight shit notes was just so strong he had to just continue with it. But I think he was the only one that maybe had a slither of a conscience that the kidney doing eight is not good. And so good um so yeah that it was interesting. So I would I think Fear Street is probably one of those movies that I would watch again because I feel like they leave little little droppings. uh of of things to kind of keep in the back of your head. And um 1666 definitely uh brought all of that together. Um, you know, how ancestral, how like the ancestral chain of all the men, all the the good, ain't shit men, uh had to basically keep this power in line. And that's where you have the sunny veil and shady fucking side uh you know uh connotation um you know and and they basic so they they basically set them up you know I'm saying they set them up so that they they the white people can constantly have a great way of living and it's funny because Sh V side had the most ethnicities as well.
SPEAKER_06I was seeing that with like the football team and shit everybody was white I think they had like one spice of season in there but everybody was white they had a they had the the tiniest sprinkle of paprika pitch a fairness right right maybe a dash is not but everybody on uh shady side it had was much more um had more ethnicity uh they were I had more I would guess like free thinking so to speak um you know hence the the uh the love with uh Dina and then the girlfriend I like you know she was like oh no you know we can't do this whatever like you know just a playing like shut a white bitch so go over there go over to your people so but um it was it was interesting um you know seeing uh the going back 300 years ago and seeing that it all started with them that it wasn't always like this that the entire two colonies was was created in this image just for power and and that was um you know invoking the dark spirit and with the with that nasty ass resident evil glob sitting underneath church I think was underneath the church right was it underneath the church with that global it was it was underneath the the fear house yeah oh yeah do you think that was a setup they set it up to have it underneath the fear house I think so because that's where he started it that's where he dug the tunnel and stuff to start it there and then as as time went on as things you know developed it slowly just changed because wasn't it like not too far from the camp at one point and then when they finally got out they they were at Nick's house at the end walking through his house yeah yeah because the hand the hand was found in like the toilet part like it was like the restaurant right the the bathroom in the the cabin house that's where the hand was found and the blob was found in the fear house yeah it was underneath the fear house the um the tunnel they had the tunnels was like everywhere yeah so in I guess in 1666 uh initially it would have been it was no it was under the fear house then but it I mean he had tunnels so it was going from like wherever he would come from you know like all around the little colony or whatever so it would come back to the fear house but of course as time went on things got built over top of it so then you had the camp end up not being too far from you know wherever and then the fear house just so happened to be on top of the um the shit so Nick's ancestor in 1666 his name was Solomon and I thought it was interesting Solomon Solomon it is funny it's funny because Solomon as a name is supposed to mean man of peace and it was like oh shit you ain't you ain't been right they've been badgered since ever since the first one right anybody else see not to jump ahead but did anybody else predict the ending when when like at the end where they taped everything off and the book was just laying there did anybody else have that book to like oh my god yes pick up the fucking book take it I was like if someone doesn't take this shit yeah doesn't leave it there yeah I would have picked up the book but somebody picked it up you saw hands but that was my point that was my point you should have took the book with you so nobody else could have picked it up because now it's like whose hands did it fall into that's what I said it wasn't shady side it wasn't shady sided at all that was the shit that I like they were like oh yeah we solved everything people allow I'm like y'all left this book down here like the entire time they're like oh everyone's happily ever after blah blah blah I'm like y'all let this book down y'all left the y'all left the fucking book get the book get the book get the book get the book get the but now it it leaves it leaves it I mean I I doubt they'll do another series but it leaves it open for interpretation like okay in the future Sadyside and Sunny you know Bill ain't they still ain't gonna be doing well right somebody gonna somebody gonna fuck around and find out if who took the book was somebody from Shady Side and they fucked up Sunnyville.
SPEAKER_02But who would have believed them though okay I like that I would have been curious as to who it was and how they knew all of that in the first place that would be my that would be my question. But um so now that we've talked about all three films one of my the thing that has been that thing that the the trilogy kind of I don't want to say beat you over the head with but like really at least stands out in my opinion is this long very very explicit story of how of how of not just racial disparity but socioeconomic disparity as well because you know sunny side or sunnyvale was thriving it was beautiful everyone wanted to live there all the houses look houses look nice and shady side had the worst reputation like literally in all of America and people were poor you know there everyone was always struggling people were clearly dying um and so like it created this entire narrative of the the the prosperity of other people consistently being built off of the backs of you know their victims and people who have they people who they've made to suffer uh and people who they have sacrificed um and it's interesting that they put Dina at the center of this story because she's you know she's um uh person she's a biracial queer woman and it's interesting that they moved that to Serafir I mean I know we they like projected her into Serafir's body but Serafir was a white woman let's be real uh but they there's this kind of like undertone of like the the wealth and prosperity of white men let's be real because all the goods were white men all the goods were white men they were all white men who inherited this power to continue to perpetuate this cycle with shade between Sunnyvale and shady side so that Sunnyvale could continue to be prosperous and so that their families can have wealth and power for the rest of their lives and using the using this you know this white queer witch woman or not witch woman as uh well she ended up being a witch but she ended up being a witch in a different way um using her as like the the the stepping stone for everything that happens in the future and I think the the the best part was when Seraphir actually cursed Solomon's family line and it was basically that if I remember correctly she basically cursed for like the truth to come out for like him having to continue to hide everything that's going on everyone continuing having to like the the actual punishment that his bloodline will have to endure is everyone finding out about what he did. And even though like no one found out about what he did specifically but they found out later on and everything that he worked so hard for quotation marks which wasn't really work at all because white people but was uh was like wrought on his wrought on Nick good and it was interesting because when we think about Nick we want to and I think they kind of poised Nick to be this like they want Nick to be this like this white guy who's like oh well I don't want to do it but I'm still gonna do it and take the and you know reap the benefits of it. And it's like nigga you still ain't shit though.
SPEAKER_09Right.
SPEAKER_08So so with with that in mind what did you all think what do you all think about this film trilogy or this this uh this overarching story of you know socioeconomic inequality and exploitation of of poor people it reminds me of what is going on now um you know in all of the urban cities all around the US specifically because I can you know we're here in the US and it reminds me specifically to Baltimore um and how Baltimore in the 50s and 60s it was the up and coming place for black people you know we had Bethlehem Steel it was basically if anyone has watched hairspray um love hairspray love it to that yeah hairspray um it was shocking to me because at the time you know everybody in Maryland you know we we always have this this joke so to speak about you know different the different places of Maryland that you're from and Baltimore always has a very bad connotation and um it is of course of ignorance um ignorance crime but also a lot of people don't focus on the history of Baltimore. Baltimore wasn't always like that um when it comes to how people perceive it to be um you know how it's the one of the um I think top 10 like most dangerous places to be Baltimore city things like that but people understand that it was corrupted and made like that by white people in power and bring in drugs. In the 1950s it was what a beautiful it was basically like hairspray beautiful colorful black people came from the south to have a wonderful job um you know they're they're working with Bethlehem Steel it was it was a place where people were coming from the south and trying to really better themselves and doing a very good job at it too. I think it started changing around the 80s uh with the the drugs being infiltrated and then now you're starting to see that all the this beautiful neighborhoods are being run down and then forcing black people out and now having this gentrification of white people and you know it's it is very interesting because I'm seeing you know they they made what black people put together as a beautiful city that was progressive. But then again you know people don't like to see black people do well and you know Baltimore is a small example of what happens in every single place. There is another one in Philadelphia I think it was the move group which was also a black um a black community that was all about peace wanted to kind of be together they um believed in just kind of like communal living in a city of Philadelphia I think it's in the 80s they didn't like that shit they thought saw as a threat and they actually bombed 60 houses um because they saw it as a threat any place where you see black people or people of color doing well there's always it's never going to last long in this country unfortunately there's always going to be somebody that's gonna change it because and make the white people uh you know that golden good shite shining knight in armor and then fuck it up and then try to come in there and be like oh it's nice and pretty now no nigga it was always fine you you could have just left it alone and so um because there's something for them to profit. Of course that's what it is absolutely so um you know it just kind of it's it's there without having to be for for Fear Street that that's kind of the tone that I was getting it wasn't so blatant but we we saw we saw what it was um you know we saw for what what it was for what they were trying to say and I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was very smart. I love how it was a black queer woman um you know and and I loved how she really fought for her justice and prevailed even though her ancestor well the white woman who was not necessarily her ancestor but even though you know you saw the disparities from the from back in the day 300 years ago you really see it now in a black woman's eyes and where she's located you know there's a reason why she wasn't in sunny vale there's a reason why she's in shady side and to see like it wasn't always like that you know I'm saying and it was it was made to be that way and that is the history of the US that is the fucking history of the US white people coming in where they weren't here that this is not their country coming in killing up all the the Native Americans and be like hey this our place hey y'all no bitch it wasn't look what we discovered look at all this oh my god but then you think this was India you didn't even know you were even here like what the fuck so you didn't land on the mainland right so it's it's it's interesting there is a deeper there is a deeper um metaphor to fear street which I love you usually don't get that from scary movies or horror movies you know and that you could kind of pick pick at it and dissect it um into social economic status into uh racial disparities um you know and even with the uh the topic of um the unfairness and injustice uh when it comes to queer lives so I loved it it was just so much in one and I I love the the different layers that the viewers were getting and how how inclusive it was that any every everyone can watch it and get something from it.
SPEAKER_02And it was good storytelling.
SPEAKER_06Like it didn't like I said it didn't like I it I think because of my hyper awareness it felt like I was being beat over the head with it because I was like oh shit look at these things but like I think I guess you like to the to the to the non like super uh hypercritical neurotic viewer like myself like it's like oh shit but this is this underlying narrative that has all these things in it um yeah no uh what did everybody else think um yeah I'm I'm right with uh sayone on this like just um it just you just look at it and you're like this this is still going on today like like um just in America in general there's always some some uh white person I love how you say I love how you're about to say white but then I was like I don't know what I'm gonna say I just uh okay but there's always there's always there's always something you know it with with whatever industry like you look at it whether it's from education to to housing to to healthcare like there's always somebody up in some corner office looking to profit off of uh off of uh gentrification or or just or just profit off of the the the the poor people in general like like literally make their money off of the the people who who don't have nothing already like you they already don't have nothing the country set them up to to not have nothing they live in spaces where you know um that that area of the city is is literally zoned off for poor people and you can literally cross the street and like I mean literally cities like this like you look at places like Chicago and Baltimore and and LA and things like that and you literally what one section of the city looks like what what the fuck in the next section you just walk across the street and it's like wait a minute who's who lives over here what I mean but these are these are the things that they're doing and I think while the rug rats playing with rats on the sidewalk bitch I just saw I just saw breakfast and Tiffany's up no but I think I think Shady Side and Sunnyvale are is literally the perfect example of what I what I just talked about. You literally in the in the same uh I don't know city and then you got these two fucking towns and what in one of them is obviously meant for you know the better good you know the the idea uh America and the other is oh well them niggas over there so yeah it's like like for for my parents they both grew up in DC so like my dad has slowly been watching the changes that happened in DC the like the gentrification and everything and it's just like really sad because you know he gets sad because it's like oh this used to be here and this used to be here even with me growing up I'm like DC used to look like a different place from what you see today so it's just like all the nightclubs are gone all these wineries and distilleries like what the fuck is this what are all the nightclubs all the nights nightclubs are gone and they did action on purpose every single black nightclub um love is love love is now a winery love is now winery while love is gone abiza is gone like it's gone and then they did it in the same year like that was there's oh damn it was like it was a it was a swift just yeah no they literally just swifted them all away like like in an instant it was like your whole like semi-adulthood was gone to a nightclub yeah like Drake yeah and and now look where you have to go you have to go to Adams Morgan now right you know but with all the white people were you have to go to admo you have to go to admo right right throwing up on the sidewalk and shit like I don't like we weren't doing all of that like we weren't and and it was just black people having fun you know in our own space you know and we didn't we already not anymore like it was the only place to go like party is literally like U Street and all that right and even that's not as chocolate as the chocolate city oh no no absolutely don't even need to be called the chocolate city now they need to be called the Wonderbred City okay there's barely any left anytime you're walking in a neighborhood where you'd be like yeah no you know average person just go walk out on the street and you see a white person walking they dog you'd be like oh okay so they're about to jigrify this neighborhood right here huh when you see a smart box roll up in a neighborhood you already know what the fuck is gonna happen that they haven't touched in DC and I don't know if they're gonna touch it don't drink I was like I see your wheels turning what were you about to say uh oh yeah the uh to the to the question uh honestly the whole uh the trilogy really just made me think of uh the the kind of how the the ripple effects of uh of just uh of of how pain works like because like because you know like fear fear was fear was cursed but it's not like it's not like she just it's not like she just went off and killed the goods right for century like her uh you know every she had hands for everybody who you know whoever whoever happened to yes run it run through her shit and it's like you know and that just and that just and that just really reminded me of how uh of just you know when you fuck people over like like the you you know like uh like you know sadness and misfortune all it almost becomes like uh what's the word hurt um hurt people hurt people uh yeah exactly like it just spreads it spreads out from wherever you left that and and because you were in the position to to do that to that person you you were you're probably also in the position to not not not uh get a reprisal from that from that person either so you you can just do what you do uh leave that person take devices and go and then go back to the other side where everything was cool and and this and leave everybody that who runs in who runs into that area runs into that person and you know and they and they're just catching the side effects of uh of what you did so um you know so the so the trilogy and like y'all said this this microcosm of uh of shady side and and the other place uh just uh you know it really it really just uh it just seem really seemed like a re recurring uh recurring theme even even in the um you know relationship of the two uh of the two sisters in uh from 76 like you know one one was the good girl she had all the expectations all the all the stuff but she didn't you know but she didn't know how her actions was affecting uh her
SPEAKER_01Sister that everyone else more or less just gave up on.
SPEAKER_09Right.
SPEAKER_01Um it was uh yeah, yeah, those are some uh general scatter shot.
SPEAKER_02You know, you you reminded me that the the Serafir didn't actually have a curse. Her curse was like on the goods, of course, but like they the goods took that narrative about her, about the curse, and blamed and like used that to drive an entire an entire history of the uh of the Sadie Side and Sunnyvale to the point where the people who were suffering the most from what they were doing, they were blaming Serafir as well. And it like like everyone was saying, it just reminds me of how how white how white people, white men specifically, have gone out of their way to have gone legitimately have gone out of their way to alter history to benefit them and to make them look like the good guys. No puns. Yeah. And like Sonia was saying, like saying earlier, and as um Domo was saying, like, we're still seeing it today. Like, we still see articles about people trying to rewrite history books so slavery doesn't sound like it was that bad, or they'll try to like rewrite entire circumstances or to like you know uh yeah, just rewrite entire history still. So the shit that they did doesn't they don't get blamed for the shit that they actually did or still are are still benefiting from this entire time. Like after they like broke everything that like they like it was like Sunnyville was like re- reallocated or redistributed as far as the wealth is concerned, and Shady Side got a chance to you know actually thrive in some way, which is you know a happy ending in its own right. You know, they get get a chance to you know get a taste of what life should have been if they weren't being exploited by this white man and his family the entire time. But it also it taught it also has like a very blatant conversation about generational inheritance, like intergenerational like wealth, intergenerational trauma, um, as well as like uh accountability and blame. Because regardless of whether Nick wanted to continue doing that shit or not, because you know, we got a chance that sneak peek into him as a character when he was younger, he's like, I don't want to go into the family business, I don't want to do that, he still continued to do so, regardless of whether he wanted to or not. And we can talk about him not having a choice, but you know, a large not to get too like metaphysical about the the ident about you know the philosophy of identity and personal self um and free will, but like he still made his own decision to continue to do whatever it is he said he didn't want to do. We he had all the power in the world to not do it, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because like didn't he have a brother? So like why did he have to do it over his brother?
SPEAKER_06Because when his brother, the mayor, the the firstborn has had to yeah, he was the firstborn has to do it. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, honestly, that that that really just goes to because it it's it it always, you know, that's that well well-bit systems are always you know self-sustaining. And it's it's always it's always one of those things like okay, I can I can I can do this, I can do this thing that has always been done. I know it works. Uh, you know, my my my folks did it, they did it, they did it, or I can go try out this new thing. And I I don't know if that's gonna work. I don't know if it's the right thing. I don't, you know, it's always like it's it's always doing something else is all it always requires that you know that you got you know, you gotta be brave or you gotta have faith.
SPEAKER_09Extra work.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. You know, and and we and we know uh people are always gonna take the path of least resistance.
SPEAKER_09Right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's that's that's just how we're built. So it's um you uh yeah, no, it just it just goes into how you know fucked up those things are. Like you it really takes uh either a special sort person or a special circumstance to really uh break those uh uh break those like those chains and those uh those systems. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02He clearly wasn't that special.
SPEAKER_08There's something that Kaze said that um was really, really on my on my noggin, so to speak. It was uh talking about how the goods, you know, a lot of you know white people specifically, they they can fuck up. I know this man, our listeners worry.
SPEAKER_01Our listeners boy it's gonna be in we're gonna lose all our white listeners. No, no, this is gonna be heavily edited.
SPEAKER_08None of us getting through it to our to our to our Caucasian listeners. We just teach it a lesson. That's all this shit. Uh it's not coming at you, or or being, you know, it's just more so just things that we've noticed that we deal with. And um, it just happens to be that you're y'all just gonna pop up a couple times in this in this conversation. But um, regarding the goods, we still care about y'all. Yeah, we love we love y'all though. We just we just got to teach y'all mama nene and and and and and uncles and aunties in here. We just got to teach y'all.
SPEAKER_02Come on, sit down for a minute. Come on.
SPEAKER_08Um, but you know, the the goods and um in Sunnyvale and then uh the fear in Shady Side. It was just interesting on where they're located. Uh sometimes the enemies are in our backyard. And it was just very interesting because they even did that in a uh a literal sense on how the house is fucking connected to everything. And even was like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Like the door like nigga, it was just interesting. And cause I said, you know, a lot of times white people go in these neighborhoods fuck it up and go right home. You know, where it's where it's nice and cozy and warm, and they don't have to worry about the aftermath and collateral damage that they did. They can go home and sleep at night and be like, I don't have to worry about that. The shit that I just caused. And it's just interesting because again, bringing to real life, that is what we deal with. You know, you have the oppressors who come to your fucking neighborhood, fuck the shit up, and then go home and sleep in their nice pretty house. And we're in ruins and we have to, we're left to pick up the pieces. And it was a very literal sense in the movie because I couldn't believe how fucking close that house was to everything. Yes, everything. It was right there. And and that's how it is. That's the genification, you know, that the the gentrification that you know Miss Angel's talking about, that I was talking about, especially in Baltimore, like literally everything is on a grid. Oh grid. So one street, it is broken down homes, busted out windows, houses abandoned, boarded up. Literally parallel to that, beautiful as like maybe probably like um beautiful house homes in the street next, like right next to it. And then right after that, the same houses, broken down houses again. And it's just like, wow, really the enemy is really in your back door. Like literally right. Yeah, like hey neighbor, like right, like right there. So it was just very interesting, you know, just kind of putting in the show, what Kazi said, what everybody else was saying in in the group, that the oppressors are always there, they're never too far. Sometimes it could be the people that you thought was closest to you that causes the most damage, and you're here trying to figure out why the fuck is this happening. All of this is not all of this is designed, it's not a coincidence on why.
SPEAKER_02Yo, Sion A.
SPEAKER_06Talking about it's like those memes where it's like black people will never be alone.
SPEAKER_02If you're black, you'll never be alone.
SPEAKER_08It's somebody right there with Yeah, that is the that is the true horror of it all, though. And you know, it is scary and it is real because this is something that hits home to a lot of people um more than they think. And I think that's why we we love Fear Street because there's so many lessons to be learned, and even if you are privileged enough to not experience it, you can learn from this shit too. So it's it's I I love it. Um, it's definitely a classic of its own, uh a black horse, so to speak, a dark horse, so to speak, that that we didn't even see coming. And is it a coincidence that this shit wasn't fucking advertised like it should? Um, so but again, I'm glad that we're able to all witness this beautiful piece of work and and really have a wonderful think piece about it um because it is very important and and and I I love seeing um how much we can get from from a genre that a lot of people usually don't learn from.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. So um with that said, any other final thoughts on Fear Street?
SPEAKER_06Go watch it. Go watch it.
SPEAKER_01Get your ass up. So I guess the last uh general things. I think uh I think some one of the things I enjoyed the most about the trilogy was the was the way that they really uh played with genre. Um they they definitely was like this was a horror movie for horror fans, and they were definitely playing with your expectations, you know, subverting them, doing, you know, like you know, just just being really artful with the way uh things were uh displayed, and even and even the way the the stuff you know the story was shown. Because a lot of time when uh when you like when you have like a a series of things and you just keep going back, a lot of times it's you don't you don't get that same feeling of bringing everything together contextually because because you didn't forgot the stuff that even happened in the first movie, but they but you know, but I think they kept everything like you know uh relevant and they they they they jumped back and forth when they needed to to keep everything uh making sense. It was just like really it was just like really well done. Especially the especially 7 76 for me was that I think I think that was my favorite one out the bunch. Like I like I was like actually caring about these like that the relationship between the the sisters. I was like, I was actually invested in that.
SPEAKER_02Not you caring about the relationship between the sisters.
SPEAKER_01I was like, oh man, oh man, like I'm I'm invested, Lloyd. Right. I was like I was like, I was like, oh she's kind of a bitch. Like, oh you you shouldn't be all of you are terrible people. Um but uh but you know, and that was a nice little you know change. Even the little uh kumbaya moment between the the sister and the little punk girls doing the drugs, like you know, you know, you usually in these slasher films the characters are just uh they're pretty much just marks. They're there yeah, like one dimensional uh yeah, yeah, they're there waiting to be opened up. Uh and uh so you know, so it was nice that you know when they were opened up this time, we found we found nice things inside. There was uh there was substance. Uh you know, so that was a nice little uh breath of fresh air. But uh no, yeah, definitely um definitely uh suggest uh watching this uh trilogy and uh come to your own conclusions.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um uh actually I have nothing to say. Kaze said all the things that I would that I would say about this film, so uh yeah. Uh Domo, do you have anything to add, Domo?
SPEAKER_00No, no, no, no. I think y'all have uh said pretty much anything I would have thought of. So no.
SPEAKER_02I'm so sorry, but like you have like you're standing and the thing is just like right on your titties right now. And then it doesn't help that like cock mill is like right there.
SPEAKER_00Oh anyway that Maddie went to last year, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you got cocks all on your titties, Lord.
SPEAKER_08Am I hearing the right word? I'm hearing I just don't I just keep hearing C O C K. Is that correct? No, it's like oh sorry triple X if you're nasty.
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SPEAKER_00Oh man, okay, that's a lot now.
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